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AGuyThatFlys

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http://www.dayjet.com/

These guys will be operating the new Eclipse VLJ by year's end. I really hope they manage to succeed, but given my recent "carrot-and-stick" departure from full-time pilot, returning to full-time engineer, I'm really pessimistic about aviation.

AGTF
 
They are for real. Are they going to paint the airplanes all yellow with black checker board stripes?
 
Stealthh21 said:
They are for real. Are they going to paint the airplanes all yellow with black checker board stripes?

Stealth, what's up buddy? I've seen that before on C-402's out of KFLL, they're called Yellow Air Taxi. Not my thing, but to each his own.
 
CAP E TON said:
They are a company. but the checker board is yellow air taxi and has nothing to do with day jet

What do you think Dayjet is doing? uhhhhhhh. Right, air Taxi. Have you not read what they are going to be doing?

I havn't seen the C402! Thats gotta look pretty cool.
 
Shamus said:
Stealth, what's up buddy? I've seen that before on C-402's out of KFLL, they're called Yellow Air Taxi. Not my thing, but to each his own.

Not much Shamus!! Nothing new here!! For sure not my thing. I havn't seen that. Still gotta look cool though.
 
They are for real and spending a ton of money. It is all up in the air until Eclipse get their certification however. I know they have a Challenger they are flying. This air taxi concept has been beat to death by many new companies, all looking for money and none of them have aircraft except SatsAir that flies the Cirrus. Last we heard Eclipse failed the wing stress test with the FAA. I would be curious to see where this leads...
 
Ah ya stealthh21 i didnt say they werent an air taxi I said the checker board paint is yellow airtaxi as previously mentioned.
 
500h Turbine PIC!!!!!!!!!!!! With that I'd go elsewhere!!

Do You Have What Takes to be a DayJet Pilot?

We're looking for motivated leaders who are committed to a culture of safety, integrity and customer service to build upon the first truly new idea in regional business transportation in more than 50 years – and to have fun doing it! We’re also looking for individuals who possess the ability and commitment to help mentor and develop a rapidly growing pilot rank.
The Face of DayJet
Pilots will represent the ‘face’ of DayJet™ to our customers. In addition to uncompromising flight safety, DayJet pilots will be responsible for delivering a consistent, efficient and enjoyable customer flight experience…every time. As such, DayJet pilots will need to be professional, friendly, caring people that interact well with customers socially.
Minimum Qualifications
To be able to deliver the best customer experience in regional travel, DayJet pilots must meet the following minimum qualifications:
  • 3,000 hours flight time (excluding helicopter, simulator and flight engineer time)
  • 1,000 hours as Pilot-in-Command (PIC)
  • 1,000 hours multi-engine
  • 500 hours turbo-jet PIC
  • Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) Certification
  • Current FAA First Class Medical Certificate
  • Federal Communication Commission (FCC) Radio License
  • Valid passport with the ability to travel in and out of the U.S.
  • Valid U.S. driver’s license
  • Must pass a ten (10) year background check and pre-employment drug test
Additional consideration will be given to pilots with:
  • Check Airmen and/or Instructor experience
  • Experience in EFIS (Electronic Flight Indicating System) equipped aircraft
  • Recent flight experience
 
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Continental, Frontier, Cathay, any second tier cargo operator.....

Also, at 500h turbine PIC, I'd continue wherever I am at for another 6 months until I got 1000...and then i meet pretty much anybody's minimums.

Granted the minimums don't get you a job, but they also won't at DayJet.

I just think they will have trouble finding as many pilots as they need at those reqs (if their ops will take off at the level they hope)

Do you have other ideas?
 
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I have no idea if DayJet will work or not. I have my doubts.
But is it really so easy to get a job a Continental, Cathay Pacific, Frontier or any second tier cargo operator? Just apply and start ground school the following monday?

Will the QOL and $$ be as good?
 
Am not sure if it is, I guess not, reading all the posts on this board. But who tells you it will be easy at DayJet? I am just saying that they post minumums in the same ballpark as all the majors - granted for a CA, but its a small plane...
 
BODENE said:
Last we heard Eclipse failed the wing stress test with the FAA. I would be curious to see where this leads...

:eek:
Where is this documented? I can't find any results on google. As far as Eclipse is concerned, "Eclipse Aviation Projects Eclipse 500 Certification in the Coming Weeks," and that was on the 25th of June.
 
"The Eclipse 500 is also engineered for safety. A 41,000-foot ceiling avoids most severe weather" - from the Dayjet website.

Yeah right, short hops, Florida traffic, and a full airplane. That airplane will never see 410.

One of the guys that started Comair also help start an airline called Enterprise airlines with Citation II's outfited with 8 to 10 forward facing seats. Same concept and all. The model didn't work, and for obvious reasons.

I am all for entreprenuership (sp?) and give the CEO credit for taking his risks, but come on. There was a time when everyone was supposed to fly an airplane, hence the design of the Ercoupe. The is no practicality in Dayjet.

Ok I'm done....
 
Hi!

The reason that DayJet thinks it will be successful, and how it is different, is their software. They have been testing the software for years, and think that it will optimize their a/c utilization.

Cliff
LRD

PS-Good luckto DayJet!

PPS-I have over 500 PIC jet, but don't meet the mins for Frontier.
 
Inconceivable said:

I really hate everybody in marketing departments. The harder you work to "sell" your airline with gimmics like that, the more obvious it becomes you dont really have a good product to showcase
 
there we go now we will be getting taxi cab driver pay. We will be getting stuck up by some crack heads oh you all should be happy that they are starting this.
 
Here's the link to their management team:

http://www.dayjet.com/Company/Management.aspx#section_1

With the exception of the VP for Flight Ops and VP of Maintenance, most everyone else's business experience has been in software/high-tech/information tech. The VP of Flight Ops is there for the overall safety and performance of Dayjet's flying (according to the company). He's not there to make business decisions or control the direction of the company.

Dayjet will either:

1. Succeed because they were run by people too ignorant of aviation to know any better, or

2. Fail because they were run by people too ignorant of aviation to know any better.
 
Home every night and weekends off sounds pretty tempting. I think they will get plenty of resumes on those merits.... But what about the pay???
 
Hi!

Initially they are hiring only capts, at $50K+profit sharing & 401K.

Cliff
LRD
 
ATP Cliff, you seem to be in the know.

It had to have been putting a "damper" on things when they "elected" to put two pilots in the front. Initially, the deal was "single-pilot" which with this plane, I can imagine was almost a requirement.

Speaking out of my a$$, I can guess that using the second pilot meant one less person that could fly as a passenger, = less money.

Listening to Santulli (NJA CEO, President, etc) last week, he made it clear that "Day Jet" would face tough odds:

1. Small plane that can't carry that much (he wasn't aware that they were going to have two pilots).

2. He said people would never buy into the "single pilot" deal. Well, it looks like the FAA may have done Day Jet a big favor by requiring them to have two pilots. (that's my a$$ speaking)

3. Not knowing the "formula" of fractionals. Nobody makes money except NJA, according to Santulli.

4. Having people who are complete strangers sitting opposite eachother, their knees touching, for hours at a time, in a tiny little plane, and then asking them to pay big money is a disaster. He cited Indigo as an example of that idea failing. People just won't pay that kind of money to rub knees with strangers.

5. To me, a pilot, sitting in that tiny little thing with no APU in Florida in the Summer, Faaaaahhhhhh-get about it!
 

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