Day in the life of Commutair Pilot

[Anais Nin]

Tell me how did you enjoy your medical bennefits that we paid for. Tell me, how do you enjoy the captains seat that you will be getting shortly while your "brothers" at coex still sit in the right seat? Those same brothers who helped afford you the opportunity to have a job.

You sir a worthless scum and I would rather fill my a/c with MESA pilots than the likes of you.

Sour Grapes?!?!?

The fact of the matter is, Commutair and Mesa are places that are hiring, while our seniority number at XJet decline day by day.
Do not blame the XJet furloughees who went over to Commutair or Skywest. I'd have gone if I could have.
Nothin' like being a 4 and a half year FO at XJet sitting reserve for 2 years of that and 400 numbers lower than the day I started.
(sigh)

skootertrash.....you have some serious issues and need to get a life!

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

Nothin' like being a 4 and a half year FO at XJet sitting reserve for 2 years of that and 400 numbers lower than the day I started.

Well, that is obviously wrong. I am a three and a half year (fourth year pay) FO and I have only sat reserve for three weeks since getting hired. Also, I am in the top third of the FO list. And, my senority number has only gone back 200 numbers. Something in your post just does not jive.

And for guy that says that he bashes Express with CAL crews I seriously doubt that as well. Out of the four CAL bases, CLE is the most unified, pro-ALPA, stand-up guys in the bunch. They also know that when CA came in to CLE that just freed up more E145s to take over more 737 routes, unfortunately. As for all the furloughed pilots at CA that voted against ALPA, you might want to stay there. There is a very good chance that when you return to Express you WILL be declared a member in bad standing and all the privliges that it enjoys.

I'm done...

 

[CaptainCrunch]

Well since you can log into CAL FORUMS you must be a furloughed pilot. And since you have such a distaste for ALPA I bet you voted no.

I'm not furloughed you dumb @ss. I was hired by CommutAir without any help from anyone and proud of it. I'm not Anti-ALPA but I don't believe for one minute that ALPA would have helped the CommutAir pilots one bit. If you actually worked here you would understand that it's just not that bad. The pay could be improved but even ALPA won't be able to fix that since our pay is better than most for 19 seat equipment. As for CalForums, anyone with a Continental ID can sign up for CalForums.

Tell me how did you enjoy your medical bennefits that we paid for.

Explain to me how you paid for medical benefits for the COEX guys when CommutAir pays full medical anyway.

Tell me, how do you enjoy the captains seat that you will be getting shortly while your "brothers" at coex still sit in the right seat? Those same brothers who helped afford you the opportunity to have a job.

I think somebody is jealous. Maybe we can negotiate a flow through for you from COEX to CommutAir.

You sir a worthless scum and I would rather fill my a/c with MESA pilots than the likes of you.

I will not stoop to your level and will offer my empty seats to all pilots and F/As. Welcome aboard to all. Pilots and Flight Attendants of COEX or any other airline are welcome to jumpseat on my aircraft anytime. That's right, we take flight attendant jumpseaters so tell your friends and don't waste money on the passes.

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

As for CalForums, anyone with a Continental ID can sign up for CalForums.



Explain to me how you paid for medical benefits for the COEX guys when CommutAir pays full medical anyway.

As for your first statement you are dead wrong. The owner of Calforums happens to be a good friend of mine. Only those pilots that are on the CURRENT CAL or CALEX senority list are allowed into Calforums. So, it seems that you are commiting fraud and I am sure Larry would love to find out who you are. I will be sure to tell him we have a lurker.

Now for your second statement, we paid for the furloughed pilots benefits while they were on the street BEFORE they were hired by CA. I have had plenty of guys at CA and Skywest thank me and the other Reps and NC's for getting them jobs.

 

[Anais Nin]

Well, that is obviously wrong. I am a three and a half year (fourth year pay) FO and I have only sat reserve for three weeks since getting hired. Also, I am in the top third of the FO list. And, my senority number has only gone back 200 numbers. Something in your post just does not jive.

Uh......okay.......What do you want my employee # to prove you I'm Coex.
I wont lie to you, I feel like a total outsider here. I was hired with 2100 hours and had far and away the most time in my new-hire class in '00. I'm just hoping for AWAC, PSA or Mesa to call me for an interview soon as I want out of XJet!
(There's just too much complaining and negativity here. It really sucks)

 

[skootertrash]

Sour Grapes?!?!?

The fact of the matter is, Commutair and Mesa are places that are hiring, while our seniority number at XJet decline day by day.
Do not blame the XJet furloughees who went over to Commutair or Skywest. I'd have gone if I could have.
Nothin' like being a 4 and a half year FO at XJet sitting reserve for 2 years of that and 400 numbers lower than the day I started.
(sigh)

skootertrash.....you have some serious issues and need to get a life!

NO you BOOB. Commutair was hiring BECAUSE of the Expansion due to the CAL code share. Had ALPA not approved the code share CA wouldn't have expanded. We are only upset that the former Express pilots that went to CA stabbed their brothers in the back.

As for Capt Crunch. LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE.

 

[Anais Nin]

Ive talked to enough Commutair crews in CLE and they all say they could haver cared less whether the Cleveland expansion happened or not. They said it just meant upgrade for some folks. They would have continued on just as before if the Cleveland flying had never happened. They looked at it as a favor to us, to keep those cities serviced for CAL.
I dont know, all I know is I'm sick to death of XJet and all the bad vibes and I want out. Mesa is hiring a lot right now I hear and I'm hoping to get over there and out of this pitiful ass backwards place! I am getting NOWHERE fast here!
You guys enjoy your 10-year regional career here! I'm done!

 

[skootertrash]

HHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


You know what enjoy your time at MESA. A sell out like you will fit in well.

And about your comment that CA was doing CAL a "favor" by serving the cities that we couldn't. Lets see. Prior to the code share you had XXX amount of FO's. AFTER the code share, all FO's on property are now captains. So instead of making 23K a year they no make ....what 35K a year.

Ya I bet they really care less. Hey, moron........thats the goal of the game.........UPGRADE.

Have fun at MESA, go save them.

 

[CaptainCrunch]

As for your first statement you are dead wrong. The owner of Calforums happens to be a good friend of mine. Only those pilots that are on the CURRENT CAL or CALEX senority list are allowed into Calforums. So, it seems that you are commiting fraud and I am sure Larry would love to find out who you are. I will be sure to tell him we have a lurker.

I don't need access to CalForums to know that your still a bunch of whiners. We don't give a sh!t about your so called permission to fly into CLE. You all act as if you own the flying. If that was the case then why didn't you keep your props. CAL would have found a way to get the turboprop feed with or without ALPA permission. CommutAir in CLE is good for everyone but some of you people just don't get it. You think that the feed doesn't help Xjet and CAL's loads? You think you should fly those routes with your RJ? I know your upset that the plan to bring furloughed COEX pilots to try and sway the ALPA vote backfired but you really can't blame them. There are places that need ALPA and places that don't and you can't blame these guys for making an informed deciscion when they decided ALPA is not for CommutAir. Just cause COEX thinks we need ALPA doesn't mean we at CommutAir feel the same.

 

[Anais Nin]

Hey, moron........thats the goal of the game.........UPGRADE.

Have fun at MESA, go save them.

Exactly. "Upgrade IS the name of the game."
And sadly something that Coex is just not affording us anytime soon!

"Go save Mesa?!?" I hear they are doing just fine without needing anyone to save them!

I'm just tired of the cruddy weather in Newark and the even more cruddy attitudes within this company!

 

[BeechSlapped]

As for your first statement you are dead wrong. The owner of Calforums happens to be a good friend of mine. Only those pilots that are on the CURRENT CAL or CALEX senority list are allowed into Calforums. So, it seems that you are commiting fraud and I am sure Larry would love to find out who you are. I will be sure to tell him we have a lurker

No, sir you are wrong. Many, many CommutAir pilots have been monitoring that board since even before the CLE flying started. I'm not sure how this is fraud since we are required to use our real names with our real ID number. If we weren't welcome there, our names could have easily been cross-checked against the current seniority list and it would have been discovered that we weren't CAL or CALEX pilots.

As I said in a another post, your anger at the furloughed pilots who didn't vote ALPA is a result of a post that was made on Calforums shortly after the vote. This post claimed that a majority of furloughed pilots didn't vote, which sparked severe rage amongst the CALEX pilots. I am telling you now, you need to ignore this person. He took no poll, he did no research. In fact, nobody else in the company would talk to him long enough for him to get any information. Everyone at CommutAir knows who I am talking about and could back this up. Were there furloughed pilots who didn't vote? Yes, there were. Did it cause us to lose the vote? Who knows. But the anger from CALEX is based on one person's opinion. We had MANY senior pilots at CommutAir who were against ALPA. Were THEY the reason we lost? Who knows! But don't go blaming one group unless the NMB magically decides to release the names of the non-voters.

 

[Company Man]

As for all the furloughed pilots at CA that voted against ALPA, you might want to stay there. There is a very good chance that when you return to Express you WILL be declared a member in bad standing and all the privliges that it enjoys

Capt Caucasion.....


I'll bet that only two-three people actually go back to Coex....

Some of the FO's I've flown with have stated "why would I want to go back to a company that treated me like S#$t and be an FO for 5 years when I can stay here where they actually know how to treat their pilot!"

 

[skootertrash]

Ok there boss man. Have fun flying light twins around.

You think the stagnation will be there forever. What will happen when 2000 CAL pilot retire in the next 10 years. And I bet they will make a hell of a lot more here than there.

You know what, keep the ungratefull pricks. These are the children that got furloughed after 3-6 months of their airline careers and have done nothing except WHINE that its not fair. SH!T HAPPENS deal with it. The world stinks BOO HOO and they think that THEY got SCREWED.


Those little pricks at CA that are all PI$$ED off can stay. Maybe they will learn what its like to pay their dues.

The more I read about this the more I wanna BEOTCH slap these spoiled brats.

 

[Anais Nin]

Those little pricks at CA that are all PI$$ED off can stay. Maybe they will learn what its like to pay their dues.

No, they will upgrade and make much more than I'm making after almost 3 and a half years at Coex. They were smart in going over to Commutair.
Face it, trash....you've been handed your lunch. Deal with it!
None of the guys I've talked to over at Commutair are upset with their situation at all! They're happy!
That is what made me start to realize the plight we're in!
I used to say to myself "But, hey.....at least we're in the ERJ! At least we have a flow-through!"
But it friggin' doesn't matter! PIC turbine time is all that matters! Period! It doesn't even matter if it's in a Caravan.
We'll be at XJet forever, skooter! And that really sucks! How did CAL ALPA do anything in our best interest?
I would give anything to have been furloughed and upgrading in the Beech over at CA!

 

[Anais Nin]

Maybe they will learn what its like to pay their dues.

And skooter, what dues are you talking about??? Being an fo for 5 years??

 

[CaptainCrunch]

Ok there boss man. Have fun flying light twins around.

Only until CAL gives us your jets when you decide to strike. HAha!

 

[mesaba2425]

6am: wake up

7am: complain to whoever listens that you have a 3 day

7am alternate: if on reserve, complain because you're on reserve

8am: complain about Mesa's contract

9am: still complaing about Mesa's contract

10am: complain about management for a while

11am: show up to airport for trip and complain to CA, FO, FA, etc about pretty much everything

11am alternate: call crew scheduling and complain that you haven't flown in 8 days

12noon: grab a bite to eat before trip but unfortunately you can only eat half of what you bought because you were complaining too much

12noon alternate: crew scheduling calls with a trip. complain that you had something else to do today and ask if someone else can take the trip

1pm: fly trip while complaining about management, crew scheduling, dispatch, maintenance control, your flight attendant, etc

9pm: arrive at crew hotel, grab a bite to eat and complain about the legs that were just completed

10pm: go to bed and set alarm for 5am wakeup


next day: repeat previous day

 

[skootertrash]

No, they will upgrade and make much more than I'm making after almost 3 and a half years at Coex. They were smart in going over to Commutair.
Face it, trash....you've been handed your lunch. Deal with it!
None of the guys I've talked to over at Commutair are upset with their situation at all! They're happy!
That is what made me start to realize the plight we're in!
I used to say to myself "But, hey.....at least we're in the ERJ! At least we have a flow-through!"
But it friggin' doesn't matter! PIC turbine time is all that matters! Period! It doesn't even matter if it's in a Caravan.
We'll be at XJet forever, skooter! And that really sucks! How did CAL ALPA do anything in our best interest?
I would give anything to have been furloughed and upgrading in the Beech over at CA!

THATS MY POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CAL ALPA got these guys their jobs over there and this is how they repay us. By pi$$ing and moaning that CAL ALPA is worthless. We know things suck here right now but they WILL get better. And when they do, I bet these ingrates will be back for a handout......that they think they've deserved all along.

And for the comment about flying our jets when we strike.......do not play. You wanna find out where Hoffa is? That was one of the reasons to go ALPA in the first place. So now what happens when your bosses go to you after we strike. Who will protect you if you "TRY" to say no? Ah hell you will probably jump at the chance to further your own careers at the expense of ours. Go ahead then your finally fit the true definition.

 

[Company Man]

If you think that the current administration will allow a strike you better back away from the "crack pipe"

 

[George Jetson]

No, they will upgrade and make much more than I'm making after almost 3 and a half years at Coex. They were smart in going over to Commutair

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I would give anything to have been furloughed and upgrading in the Beech over at CA!

On the first point, 4th year pay Express today is $31.61/hour. My guess is that you are a line holder and will probably credit around 900-1000 hours this year. Thus, you'll make around $31k this year. That doesn't count per diem obviously. At CA, their per diem is less and their Captains make 1st year Captain pay when they upgrade, which is around $30-33k. Nonetheless, only a couple of our furloughees have upgraded.

On the second point, you didn't need to be furloughed to go somewhere else. You can always leave. Commutair is currently hiring. So are other places. But if you go, you won't have the luxury of keeping your seniority number...which is fine by me. It seems like you are the one with the attitude.

When this contract is completed, we will have made significant gains that you won't find at PSA, Mesa, or CA. But please feel free to go over there....My guess is that you will be unhappy there too. The grass is always greener my friend.

An FO at Comair will make significantly more than a Captain at CA....maybe you should apply there.

GJ