Dating Service

[ThomasR]

I have no clue what is going on here with the "pegging" and the j/k, RG, lol, $$@#&ing, f, and the "hitting it;" but I am getting some very erotic images in my mind.

Which brings me to another question that women have most control over; that is, How forward can a man get before he gets slapped or issued a restraining order. Some women get offended just by looking at them. I had a girls boyfriend confront me once at a night club for looking at her ass from ten feet away.

What's the odds of getting hooked up with an agency date and finding out that she doesn't want you to look at her, or doesn't like being touched? Is there an after date review the agency does?

 

[jetexas]

Which brings me to another question that women have most control over; that is, How forward can a man get before he gets slapped or issued a restraining order. Some women get offended just by looking at them.

Well that's an unfortunate element of the PC and womens lib world. It's hard for a guy to flirt anymore for fear of being accused of sexual harrasment. This makes it hard to figure out where he stands with a gal he might like.

 

[ThomasR]

A tornato hit Kalamazoo tonight and another hit a smaller town about 25 miles away. I was in the hospital library when it hit. Security warned everyone of possible dangers (library is surrounded by glass) all the while coded alerts are being broadcast over the speakers. We all had to move to a shelter which made the situation seem even worse than it was.

I was uplifted by the way some of the women became friendly. I don't know if it was just an opportunity to let their kinder side show through or if they were frightened into closer encounters to feel more secure. Anyway, once the "All Clear" came through up went their "stay away from me" postures.

Nice while it lasted.

GETTING A DATE Need sound up.

 

[Dash8]

i need to get me one of those in the ear transceivers like they use for those 'man show boy' skits lol, get some help while i'm floundering with the ladies...

 

[ThomasR]

i need to get me one of those in the ear transceivers like they use for those 'man show boy' skits lol, get some help while i'm floundering with the ladies...

Yes. In the movies the hero can spout poetry like a scholar. When I try I am lucky I can recite Mary Had a Little Lamb.

I have been trying some of the onLine dating services but nothing from my area of the country. I see many women from Asia and Russia are willing to travel. I am not too sure how eager I would be to move to an Asian country or Russia should a lonely lady offer to interview me. They look great, but I wonder how intimate U.S. American values translate into "old world" traditions. its not easy being green

 

[ThomasR]

How difficult might it be to organize an onLine dating servce dedicated to a specific area (example: SW Lower Michigan ). Anybody interested?

 

[Dash8]

so i take it no luck with the online places thomas?

 

[350DRIVER]

How difficult might it be to organize an onLine dating servce dedicated to a specific area (example: SW Lower Michigan ). Anybody interested?

would be rather easy, question is what kind of turn out will you get with limited resources? answer, very little.... Anyone can do this but enough sites out there that get "hits" daily and lots of them.


Many sites have a search feature that will allow you to put in state and city of where you are from and/or targeting. This is nothing new.


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[ThomasR]

from 350Driver ................would be rather easy, question is what kind of turn out will you get with limited resources? answer, very little.... Anyone can do this but enough sites out there that get "hits" daily and lots of them.

Many sites have a search feature that will allow you to put in state and city of where you are from and/or targeting. This is nothing new.

Dash8,
I get nothing from the onLine services in my area. Either there are no subscribers or my parameters are unmatchable. I hesitate dumbing too much money into the onLine process considering the risk on return. Using the local meet markets one can drop $50 to $100 in a night or weekend (cover charges, minimum drink requirements, highly inflated prices, male etiquette traditions, song and dance entertaining, and after hours restaurant review time) without results. I continually hear [from women] "nothing is free'" which is true for men.

Most women who are in the job market make more money than I do. I know statistics reflect a 60% exchange rate between men and womens income. However, these rates are figured at the top level income brackets. The truth is that very many women are self employed, work for other women business owners or work in high paying professions with male entry barriers. They make considerably more than the statistical averages; averages which include women who are stay at home married types that serve to lower the statistical figures influencing national averages [used, by the way, to negotiate even higher womens wages].

I find, in very many cases, it is a game to drain a male ego, deplete his finances and discourage his sexual drive. If any of you find this type of mentality existing in onLine services I would really like to know. Because I will not even attempt to risk my self esteem on a wild go nowhere adventure.

I am encouraged with those examples of happy matches resulting in life affirming and creative encounters. But I am unsure what the ratio is to those who are discouraged. One last thing, I find women [more so than men] will only trade up. If they attribute any type of subordinate traits in a male counterpart it is an instant cause for rejection.

We have a 60% failure rate in U.S. marriages which indicates a failure in expectations, tradition, or a significant change in our basic social structure that requires, in any case, major academic studies to determine a new and correct modus operandi. I am part French and in France the expectation is toward two marriages in a life time. I will not go further into detail but it shows that each country has a set value of tradition that serves mutual expectations. Maybe we need better defined traditions.

Thank You

350Driver,
There is a brick and mortar service in my local area that is very expensive. They boast a high percentage satisfaction rate which they can not substantiate with hard numbers or client reviews. They are not affiliated with any other organization [church, social group, industry group, etc] and offer no guarantee other than secret discretion to their clienteles. I managed to get one of the secretaries to admit she has gone on several dates with many of their clients. It is completely legal, however, it sounded to me very much like high end prostitution.

I have no problem with prostitution other than it seems to be a breading ground for other disruptive social influences. If two industrial engineers can put together a successful service, my interest is in determining the odds of success using the financial backing and notoriety of a social organization as a promotional source; such as a specific church affiliation, an industry target market [scientific, medical, aviation, etc.] or a specific age bracket.

This would entail a targeted market approach, considerable industry contacts and survey results from potential clients. This would be very much time intensive and not something I would attempt on a whim or without backing. If there is interest, however, we might be able to put together a mission statement to present to a list of investors.

Just an idea.

 

[350DRIVER]

Dash8,
I get nothing from the onLine services in my area. Either there are no subscribers or my parameters are unmatchable. I hesitate dumbing too much money into the onLine process considering the risk on return. Using the local meet markets one can drop $50 to $100 in a night or weekend (cover charges, minimum drink requirements, highly inflated prices, male etiquette traditions, song and dance entertaining, and after hours restaurant review time) without results. I continually hear [from women] "nothing is free'" which is true for men.

Most women who are in the job market make more money than I do. I know statistics reflect a 60% exchange rate between men and womens income. However, these rates are figured at the top level income brackets. The truth is that very many women are self employed, work for other women business owners or work in high paying professions with male entry barriers. They make considerably more than the statistical averages; averages which include women who are stay at home married types that serve to lower the statistical figures influencing national averages [used, by the way, to negotiate even higher womens wages].

I find, in very many cases, it is a game to drain a male ego, deplete his finances and discourage his sexual drive. If any of you find this type of mentality existing in onLine services I would really like to know. Because I will not even attempt to risk my self esteem on a wild go nowhere adventure.

I am encouraged with those examples of happy matches resulting in life affirming and creative encounters. But I am unsure what the ratio is to those who are discouraged. One last thing, I find women [more so than men] will only trade up. If they attribute any type of subordinate traits in a male counterpart it is an instant cause for rejection.

We have a 60% failure rate in U.S. marriages which indicates a failure in expectations, tradition, or a significant change in our basic social structure that requires, in any case, major academic studies to determine a new and correct modus operandi. I am part French and in France the expectation is toward two marriages in a life time. I will not go further into detail but it shows that each country has a set value of tradition that serves mutual expectations. Maybe we need better defined traditions.

Thank You

350Driver,
There is a brick and mortar service in my local area that is very expensive. They boast a high percentage satisfaction rate which they can not substantiate with hard numbers or client reviews. They are not affiliated with any other organization [church, social group, industry group, etc] and offer no guarantee other than secret discretion to their clienteles. I managed to get one of the secretaries to admit she has gone on several dates with many of their clients. It is completely legal, however, it sounded to me very much like high end prostitution.

I have no problem with prostitution other than it seems to be a breading ground for other disruptive social influences. If two industrial engineers can put together a successful service, my interest is in determining the odds of success using the financial backing and notoriety of a social organization as a promotional source; such as a specific church affiliation, an industry target market [scientific, medical, aviation, etc.] or a specific age bracket.

This would entail a targeted market approach, considerable industry contacts and survey results from potential clients. This would be very much time intensive and not something I would attempt on a whim or without backing. If there is interest, however, we might be able to put together a mission statement to present to a list of investors.

Just an idea.

I understand your "idea" as well as what you are saying......I have tried a few of these services and have gotten many responses, date proposals, etc (I have yet to take anyone out that I met online). I can tell you that a picture is pretty much a "must" if you intend to get any desired results. I have not even looked at emails/im's that I have gotten from females without a picture/profile, a waste of time if you ask me. Another problem that I have found is that they want to talk on the phone way too much, a major turn off if you ask me, not really into that at all. There is nothing worse than wasting the day away on a cell in my opinion.

I still believe in the conventional methods of meeting women (ex> work, gym, church, bar, club, mall, etc, etc) , more so than meeting them on some website. The invention of the internet has been great, has paired people up, blah, blah, blah, ... I just feel that it is too much of a gamble and waste of time to invest too much interest in someone via a chatroom or online dating site. It is nice in a way to be able to meet some interesting people but you need to draw a line at some point and say that enough is enough. Many are gold diggers, etc, etc, so be very careful. When you play the game don't let your guard down and make sure you are the one that is calling the shots.


good luck,

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[mar]

A thousand points of light

"Nothing is free"

That's true. But volunteering is a great way to meet people without shelling out lots of bucks. It just costs you your time.

I'm joining this thread rather late but I think it's pretty interesting because it is really difficult for a single guy in the aviation industry to meet women.

In addition to 350's list I would add volunteering and taking some courses (i.e., professional, art, self-improvement, etc).

The way I see it, on-line dating is great for the sheer volume of matches, so if you're into serial-dating then that's great. Or as someone else once said, Quantity has it's own Quality.

Good luck.

 

[ThomasR]

..............a picture is pretty much a "must" ................ talk on the phone way too much, a major turn off ............
.............conventional methods of meeting women (ex> work, gym, church, bar, club, mall, etc, etc) ......................make sure you are the one that is calling the shots...............3 5 0

350DRIVER,
Very good advice and taking classes or volunteer works is also excellent. The one big draw an onLine service has over more conventional means, however, is that it offers the possibility of making an exact match considering a person has enough self awareness to know exactly what characteristics is compatible in a potential relationship. Most services limit the parameters to age range and location. The service depends on call in business rather than soliciting candidates [locate and recruit eligible singles]. That perfect match might register at only one site which limits exposure considering the overall possibilities of being listed in many sites.

Statistically most U.S. American long term marriages considered successful are between individuals who grew up within 50 miles of each other. That being true it seems reasonable to rely on a service that has a narrow range of placement candidates rather than a service boasting a world wide or national selection. There was a time when a picture, to me, was worth a thousand words; but now I am more interested in those thousand words. Usually the "picture" needs only minor adjustments anyway. But, I feel, the more you know about someones character the better your chances of finding happiness.

I am not sure any more who is really calling the shots. I met a woman once I was really attracted to. I became the aggressor while she skillfully negociated a recessive role. She met my advances with light playful resistance until we had sex. Confident we could move on to a closer relationship I made demands on her time. It was then I learned she was only interested in having sex. After she was satisfied our relationship ended and she was pretty emphatic about letting me know it was over. I don't know how to guard against something like that.

Still in limbo.

 

[OUjetdrvr]

I was partial to matchmaker.com....actually met my wife on there. And she's a beauty! A gorgeous blonde, elem. school teacher and former college soccer player...Grrr! Our first date was more blind than internet...we only exchanged emails for a week before meeting.

Its like fishing though! The more lines you throw out the better your chances of catching something (a DATE)!
SO send out some emails and dont be afraid to go out with a few prospects, sure you might end up entertaining a few "scarries" BUT you may come a across a diamond in the ruff as I did on a self-proclaimed 'last attempt at internet dating"

Good luck!

 

[Pilot124]

That's exactly what I call it...FISHING. You thow out some lines and "Boom" you have a largemouth or a walleye. I have REALLY good luck on AsianEuro.com lately...Lots of hits.

 

[vetteracer]

I will recommend a book to any man that has any type of relationship with a woman. The book is good reading for women as well.

"HOW TO SUCSEED WITH WOMEN"

The book is black in color, with white lettering. The book is funny, creative and full of advice that WORKS. I was 21 when I read it and my relationships, interactions and meeting the women of my dreams have become reality.

There is no snake oil in the book, and the authors are outstanding in their research and there developed techniques.

The biggest mistake guys make with women they are attracted to is the delay. Talking to a women after moments of awkward silence is weird. You have to be assertive. If you are shy practice one easy step. Just say hello, be confident, and sincere, say hello and walk on. This will get you use to many things. First of all it will make you comfortable talking to attractive women. Second, it will help you deal with rejection and not to take it personally. I did this at college and 8 of 10 women will say hi back and keep right on walking. 2 of the 10 will say hello back with a smile and do a double take as they pass you. The next time you see them, they may say hi to you. Or if you are in a situation were it is the two of you, the ice is broke, and you can move on with conversation.

Use this technique with all women, even the ones you are not interested in. It will hone your skills so that they are second nature.

With really attractive women, they have seen and heard it all. You have to be generative and creative. She has heard all the lines, been bought many drinks, and has been asked to dance hundreds of times. She looks bitchy because every weirdo will approach her and bother her if she lets her guard down.

Remember, women have one major concern, and that is being harmed in some way, be it physically or emotionally. And rightfully so, there are a lot of wierdos' out there.

You walk up to a girl in a bar or bookstore you are running an interview. If you tell her (in my case), "I’m a pilot, and race corvettes in my spare time" she will think of me as a large child and a player.

If you make the first move, you have the option to run the conversation. Talk about work well into the seduction. I always try and not make a big deal out of being a pilot. Just let her imagination fill in the blanks.

Lastly but not least, networking. Make friends with women that you are not interested in, and let them know that you want to be just friends. They always have girlfriends that they can set you up with. There is no better in with a woman, then the recommendation of another woman. And never, never be a women "friend" if you are interested in her. Let your romantic intentions be known. If she wants to be just friends, fine, and be just that. Don’t waste her time or yours. Don’t take it personally, and if you like her as a friend, and she likes you as a friend, there you go, another recommendation.

Mark

 

[350DRIVER]

ThomasR,

Good points made in your response.......... This is a gamble as with many things in life, just try to keep the odds in your favor and never let your guard down with them. Approach a real life meeting with them with caution, as FG said "life is like a bunch a chocolates, ya never know whatcha going to get".D) I hope you find what you are looking for.

Still in limbo.

Many fish in the sea, your time will come again. Keep us posted on what you end up finding.

Make friends with women that you are not interested in, and let them know that you want to be just friends.

This is easier said than done, atleast in my experiences... Some women can be down right relentless and not understand what "NO" means.

good luck,

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[ThomasR]

Vetteracer,

You made some good points when your environment is gender rich and enclosed such as a corporate setting, church or campus. I also have a problem with "not letting rejection get to me." In a closed enironment rejection is a matter of diplomacy regarding the other persons feelings knowing they will be there again the next day. However, in a temporary setting such as a bar, supermarket, airport or library. I find that rejection is painful and is better delt with from a distance rather than when face to face up close and "personal."

From a distance you can observe her general posture, behavior and gestures. You can see if she is with someone, group or some other distraction. From a distance you still have a clandestine element of surprise valuable because she is behaving within her own space free from observable expectations. You have a general view of what is immediately influencing her behavior.

By moving to within ten feet you are better able to view facial expressions. You can make your interest better known without verbalizing them and she will either respond favorably or reject your interest. This is good when you have at least a half hour to organize your approach.

When you only have a few minutes or less you have to be precise and react by instinct. You must not allow her to know you are approaching. You must address her from a blind side and be very aware of her expression when she first turns and sees you. If her eyes widen, pupils will dilate, eye brows rise, chest forward with a straightening posture and she smiles you are in and open to verbalize: Hi, my name is..........

If, however, she shows any kind of resistant expression you are out, simply smile say nothing and walk away. No rejection, no bruised ego and no recovery time required. The objective is to find out what she values and provide it. If she first sees you as something valuable she will respond favorably.

As for those super model beauties who are hit on by weirdos; there is no excuse for rudeness.

 

[vetteracer]

True, but remember, that women are aware of everything around them, like cats.

They will notice you without even looking at you. They know when you are looking at them and when you are maneuvering in for some closer Intel.

I am out of school and in the same setting, everyone in contact is a coworker. So you must be careful, especially with all the sexual harassment laws.

I use the "general date" with coworkers. Invite her out with some other friends. It will be a date in disguise. I also just ask women flat out if they would like to go out sometime. After years of rejection and acceptance, I have learned to take the good with the bad. I accept that every woman does not have to like me. And I just as soon find out now, so I can concentrate my efforts on those that do.

Many times women do not tell you why they rejected you. But most of the time it is because they are seeing someone else, or they are married. They may have had a bad breakup, on the rebound, or are pursuing someone else.

Also, date multiple women at once. This will boost your confidence since you will not place so much importance on one single woman. Women can smell men that are desperate. That is a major turnoff to them. You will be surprised how easy and relaxed you are when you could care less how the outcome unfolds when asking women out.

Buy the book I mentioned it will change your life forever where women are concerned.

Mark,

 

[ThomasR]

..........remember, that women are aware of everything around them, like cats.
They will notice you without even looking at you. They know when you are looking at them and when you are maneuvering in for some closer Intel. ........

I like your cat reference. It is much like hunting in the jungle. Even the big cats only have a 10% take down rate.

At a distance even when people are aware they will [conscious or subconsciously] either sign you in or flag you off [missed approach]. I do think closed environments are much more difficult to get close as you mentioned.

But, "in the wild" people act with less restraint because there is less at risk [work relations, contract negotiations, pay raises, promotions, grades, group affiliations etc]. Animals [including people] tend to react through their core personality. When you get a come-ahead from a basic level you are being aloud into a personal space. Violate that space unwelcomed and the result is, predictably, rejection. People will let you know either way long before words are exchanged.

Many people ignore the signs because they are so focused on their own interests [when hungry thoughts are overwhelmingly about food and where to find it, heightened sex drive induces behavior conducive toward balancing the drive].

"Fishing" reference is a quantity hunt [hunting in a herd environment]. The person is not sure what they are looking for learning as they go until one individual remains within range [within acceptable parameters]. That is fine when the hunted out numbers the hunter.

 

[Beatrix_Kiddo]

Any guys in the Fort Walton Beach/Pensacola area feel free to PM me.