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well i'm not sure why women want to change men. (too much free time-lol)
my philosophy has always been different. i don't want to change someone.
if we aren't compatible then we need to part ways.
there is a difference between compromising and changing, it's hard to tell the difference
between the two sometimes.



Dash8 said:
ok, i'll ask it,

ladies;
aileron, cubegirl, nik, resume, raven, aviatrix, and any others who's names i couldn't think of....

why is item 4 in minhs list true? what is it about women that they just can't leave well enough alone? i've often wondered about that, as i'm sure most of them other men here have done, any thoughts?
 
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Snakum said:
Try this ...

Walk by slowly while reading a non-descript printout, and softly say "God, I can't believe how much I've been paying in taxes since I hit six figures per year." and look at her with a slightly vulnerable smile.
Or try this ...
Stomp forcefully up to her while she's reading, pull the book from her hand and loudly say "Yo b!tch! How 'bouts a hummer?"

Or you could just tell her you're a pilot. I hear chicks really dig pilots. Well ... that's what I heard. :(

Snakum,
You are a charmer. Which approach works best for you?:rolleyes:
 
cubegirl7 said:
there is a difference between comprising and changing, it's hard to tell the difference
between the two sometimes.
Well said......

If you have to change someone you're with, why are you with them? Why were you attracted to them in the first place? My personal feeling is that if I want to modify someone's behaviour, I'll get a dog, not a guy.

Orginally posted by Thomas R
You have to have someone else who has seen you answer. ;)
Well I've seen him, and oh boy.......

J/K :p

Dash is good looking, well spoken, well educated, and funny. Were it not for the unfortunate 'tic' he has in his left eye, he'd be home free :eek:

:D
 
Well, my thoughts on the changing of men...

I do not try to change men. However, I think sometimes they are not telling someone all the facts. (this happens with women and men)

On the same token, I have had men try to change me. I am very upfront, letting them know that what they see if what they get. I am who I am 24/7 and if that is not what they want, then that is cool. I had one boyfriend about 5 years ago who wanted to change everything about me, including the clothes I wore and the car I drove! (everything in his life had to be designer, even if it broke him)

I think some people try to be what someone else wants them to be because they are afraid to be who they are. Maybe because they do not know who they are themselves. I know for myself that I have been told several things that are untrue, I have been made promises that have not been kept and I have had people misrepresent themselves. After a while, you get pretty keen to this kind of behavior, but sometimes you are still fooled.

I just try to learn something from every person I am involved with. I know that someday I will be rewarded with all the nonsense I have had to put up with! :D

Kathy
 
ThomasR said:
Dear Kathy[ResumeWriter] and Stephanie[ravengirl],

It happened again. I need a woman's perspective. The woman of my dreams walked into the library [I spend afternoons in a public library and evening in a medical library]. I looked up to see someone I have never seen before except in my day dreams; 5'10", light brown hair, hazel eyes, dressed in black and white solids, casual slacks and blouse, thin with a coordinated awkwardness about her, very long legs and a pixie hair cut [which is a bit short for me but I was willing to compromise when everything else was so right].

I saw her and I froze. My eyes got so wide I do believe they were bugging out slightly. She must have known I was attracted to her by the way I jerked to good posture and leaned immediately to her attention. But, I could not think of what to say. It was all so sudden.

This always happens. If I wasn't attracted I could chatter on like a monkey. But when I see someone I like my mind goes blank. What is wrong with me and what would you do if you were this 9.99 out of 10. Of course I know absolutely nothing about her and now I might never see her again [as usual].

She went about her business on the computer and left. I tried to follow her for a short distance hoping for an opportunity to exchange pleasantries that would create time for a more solid foot hold. But the opportunity never developed.

I know there is no picture of me onLine to formulate an opinion. But I have observed that everyone in aviation is well above an 8 on a 10 scale. That leaves any solid attraction to intrinsic values that can be obtain only by personal interaction or through a personal profile. All of which takes a certain amount of time to collect.

Does this happen to all men? And why do women not initiate contact? Do you have any "stop and pay attention" openers that you feel comfortable with? :cool:

I would have maybe walked behind her and made a comment about the website she was looking at. (if that is what she was doing) Perhaps you could have asked for her assistance with something you were doing on the computer. (even though you knew what you were doing) I would keep going to the library, you never know when she will show up again.

Those are just some examples of what you could do. I know I start conversations with people all the time based upon observations.

Kathy

Kathy
 
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"Do you have any "stop and pay attention" openers that you feel comfortable with?"

Nope, not really and whatever line you have heard works, doesn't. Honesty is the best line there is. Cna never go wrong with that or: "Hi, my name is Thomas and I could not help but notice you." Simple as that. She either indicates some sort of interest, we hope, or gives you the cold shoulder. If she was reading a book, as opposed to surfing porn, you could say great book, but only if you read it!!

Lines, or so I am told by my girlfriends, are a turnoff, but a nice hello will get you far. If you are just meeting, it is all about attraction, not about who you are as a person, that comes later.

Watch Hugh Grant, shy, a bit akward, but always get the girl. Yes, I would rather be Bond, but reality is, that most men are more like Hugh and less like Bond, as sad as that may be:)
 
"Do you have any "stop and pay attention" openers that you feel comfortable with?"

Nope, not really and whatever line you have heard works, doesn't. Honesty is the best line there is. Cna never go wrong with that or: "Hi, my name is Thomas and I could not help but notice you." Simple as that. She either indicates some sort of interest, we hope, or gives you the cold shoulder. If she was reading a book, as opposed to surfing porn, you could say great book, but only if you read it!!

Lines, or so I am told by my girlfriends, are a turnoff, but a nice hello will get you far. If you are just meeting, it is all about attraction, not about who you are as a person, that comes later.

Watch Hugh Grant, shy, a bit akward, but always get the girl. Yes, I would rather be Bond, but reality is, that most men are more like Hugh and less like Bond, as sad as that may be:)
 
Dizel8 said:
"Do you have any "stop and pay attention" openers that you feel comfortable with?"

*snipped*

Watch Hugh Grant, shy, a bit akward, but always get the girl. Yes, I would rather be Bond, but reality is, that most men are more like Hugh and less like Bond, as sad as that may be:)

yeah, but thats the movies bro...not real life, and the girls want to be deluded they're falling for the cool/normal guy instead of the suave debonair guy right? :D
 
Ailerongirl said:
Well said......
*snipped*
Well I've seen him, and oh boy.......

J/K :p

Dash is good looking, well spoken, well educated, and funny. Were it not for the unfortunate 'tic' he has in his left eye, he'd be home free :eek:

:D

oh please :rolleyes:
*blush* no ones believing that, but i appreciate it :)

i told you, new medication hadn't started working yet, its just a slight flutter now!:eek:
 
Ailerongirl said:
Okay, so to put it another way....maybe one that's more believable.....when it comes to you, I'd hit it.

:D

That's about the best compliment a guy can get.

Dash8 said:
uhm ok, well i know the meaning between guys of something like that, but....what about women folk?

It's all the same! US (guys) and them. We're just more vocal about it.
 
Dash8 said:
ok, i'll ask it,

ladies;
aileron, cubegirl, nik, resume, raven, aviatrix, and any others who's names i couldn't think of....

why is item 4 in minhs list true? what is it about women that they just can't leave well enough alone? i've often wondered about that, as i'm sure most of them other men here have done, any thoughts?

Well, it's not something I find myself doing anymore. I tried that game when I was younger (I'm only 22, but let's just go with it) and I learned two things: one, the person will not change and will in fact just find me annoying, and two, why should I date someone I feel the need to change? I shouldn't settle, I should seek out someone I don't need to alter to fit my specifications. It's not fair to either of us.

I see other women I know try this and it is usually hopeless...but we all have to learn it for ourselves, right?

Now, the only change I want out of my fiance is for him to quit smoking. And before I get lectured, it was his idea to quit and he brought up the topic. I just offer "reminders" and incentives ;)
 
Think about the post mentioning how meanings are always different between male and female, then consider this quote ...

I just offer "reminders" and incentives

What this really means is ... you ride his a$$ like $@#&ing Zorro twenty-four seven.

:D

See?

Minh
 
Snakum said:
Think about the post mentioning how meanings are always different between male and female, then consider this quote ...



What this really means is ... you ride his a$$ like $@#&ing Zorro twenty-four seven.

:D

See?

Minh

Oh no, you have it all wrong. I do that all the time anyway, it's too much fun not to ;)
 
Originally posted by Ravengirl quote:Originally posted by Snakum
Think about the post mentioning how meanings are always different between male and female, then consider this quote ...



What this really means is ... you ride his a$$ like $@#&ing Zorro twenty-four seven.



See?

Minh


Oh no, you have it all wrong. I do that all the time anyway, it's too much fun not to ;)

uhm...i really REALLY hope weren't not talking about 'pegging' here LOL
 
I have no clue what is going on here with the "pegging" and the j/k, RG, lol, $$@#&ing, f, and the "hitting it;" but I am getting some very erotic images in my mind.

Which brings me to another question that women have most control over; that is, How forward can a man get before he gets slapped or issued a restraining order. Some women get offended just by looking at them. I had a girls boyfriend confront me once at a night club for looking at her ass from ten feet away.

What's the odds of getting hooked up with an agency date and finding out that she doesn't want you to look at her, or doesn't like being touched? Is there an after date review the agency does?
 
Which brings me to another question that women have most control over; that is, How forward can a man get before he gets slapped or issued a restraining order. Some women get offended just by looking at them.

Well that's an unfortunate element of the PC and womens lib world. It's hard for a guy to flirt anymore for fear of being accused of sexual harrasment. This makes it hard to figure out where he stands with a gal he might like.
 
A tornato hit Kalamazoo tonight and another hit a smaller town about 25 miles away. I was in the hospital library when it hit. Security warned everyone of possible dangers (library is surrounded by glass) all the while coded alerts are being broadcast over the speakers. We all had to move to a shelter which made the situation seem even worse than it was.

I was uplifted by the way some of the women became friendly. I don't know if it was just an opportunity to let their kinder side show through or if they were frightened into closer encounters to feel more secure. Anyway, once the "All Clear" came through up went their "stay away from me" postures.

Nice while it lasted. :o

GETTING A DATE Need sound up.
 
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Dash8 said:
i need to get me one of those in the ear transceivers like they use for those 'man show boy' skits lol, get some help while i'm floundering with the ladies...
Yes. In the movies the hero can spout poetry like a scholar. When I try I am lucky I can recite Mary Had a Little Lamb.

I have been trying some of the onLine dating services but nothing from my area of the country. I see many women from Asia and Russia are willing to travel. I am not too sure how eager I would be to move to an Asian country or Russia should a lonely lady offer to interview me. They look great, but I wonder how intimate U.S. American values translate into "old world" traditions. :p its not easy being green
 
How difficult might it be to organize an onLine dating servce dedicated to a specific area (example: SW Lower Michigan ). Anybody interested?


would be rather easy, question is what kind of turn out will you get with limited resources? answer, very little.... Anyone can do this but enough sites out there that get "hits" daily and lots of them.


Many sites have a search feature that will allow you to put in state and city of where you are from and/or targeting. This is nothing new.


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from 350Driver ................would be rather easy, question is what kind of turn out will you get with limited resources? answer, very little.... Anyone can do this but enough sites out there that get "hits" daily and lots of them.

Many sites have a search feature that will allow you to put in state and city of where you are from and/or targeting. This is nothing new.
Dash8,
I get nothing from the onLine services in my area. Either there are no subscribers or my parameters are unmatchable. I hesitate dumbing too much money into the onLine process considering the risk on return. Using the local meet markets one can drop $50 to $100 in a night or weekend (cover charges, minimum drink requirements, highly inflated prices, male etiquette traditions, song and dance entertaining, and after hours restaurant review time) without results. I continually hear [from women] "nothing is free'" which is true for men.

Most women who are in the job market make more money than I do. I know statistics reflect a 60% exchange rate between men and womens income. However, these rates are figured at the top level income brackets. The truth is that very many women are self employed, work for other women business owners or work in high paying professions with male entry barriers. They make considerably more than the statistical averages; averages which include women who are stay at home married types that serve to lower the statistical figures influencing national averages [used, by the way, to negotiate even higher womens wages].

I find, in very many cases, it is a game to drain a male ego, deplete his finances and discourage his sexual drive. If any of you find this type of mentality existing in onLine services I would really like to know. Because I will not even attempt to risk my self esteem on a wild go nowhere adventure.

I am encouraged with those examples of happy matches resulting in life affirming and creative encounters. But I am unsure what the ratio is to those who are discouraged. One last thing, I find women [more so than men] will only trade up. If they attribute any type of subordinate traits in a male counterpart it is an instant cause for rejection.

We have a 60% failure rate in U.S. marriages which indicates a failure in expectations, tradition, or a significant change in our basic social structure that requires, in any case, major academic studies to determine a new and correct modus operandi. I am part French and in France the expectation is toward two marriages in a life time. I will not go further into detail but it shows that each country has a set value of tradition that serves mutual expectations. Maybe we need better defined traditions.

Thank You

350Driver,
There is a brick and mortar service in my local area that is very expensive. They boast a high percentage satisfaction rate which they can not substantiate with hard numbers or client reviews. They are not affiliated with any other organization [church, social group, industry group, etc] and offer no guarantee other than secret discretion to their clienteles. I managed to get one of the secretaries to admit she has gone on several dates with many of their clients. It is completely legal, however, it sounded to me very much like high end prostitution.

I have no problem with prostitution other than it seems to be a breading ground for other disruptive social influences. If two industrial engineers can put together a successful service, my interest is in determining the odds of success using the financial backing and notoriety of a social organization as a promotional source; such as a specific church affiliation, an industry target market [scientific, medical, aviation, etc.] or a specific age bracket.

This would entail a targeted market approach, considerable industry contacts and survey results from potential clients. This would be very much time intensive and not something I would attempt on a whim or without backing. If there is interest, however, we might be able to put together a mission statement to present to a list of investors.

Just an idea.
 
ThomasR said:
Dash8,
I get nothing from the onLine services in my area. Either there are no subscribers or my parameters are unmatchable. I hesitate dumbing too much money into the onLine process considering the risk on return. Using the local meet markets one can drop $50 to $100 in a night or weekend (cover charges, minimum drink requirements, highly inflated prices, male etiquette traditions, song and dance entertaining, and after hours restaurant review time) without results. I continually hear [from women] "nothing is free'" which is true for men.

Most women who are in the job market make more money than I do. I know statistics reflect a 60% exchange rate between men and womens income. However, these rates are figured at the top level income brackets. The truth is that very many women are self employed, work for other women business owners or work in high paying professions with male entry barriers. They make considerably more than the statistical averages; averages which include women who are stay at home married types that serve to lower the statistical figures influencing national averages [used, by the way, to negotiate even higher womens wages].

I find, in very many cases, it is a game to drain a male ego, deplete his finances and discourage his sexual drive. If any of you find this type of mentality existing in onLine services I would really like to know. Because I will not even attempt to risk my self esteem on a wild go nowhere adventure.

I am encouraged with those examples of happy matches resulting in life affirming and creative encounters. But I am unsure what the ratio is to those who are discouraged. One last thing, I find women [more so than men] will only trade up. If they attribute any type of subordinate traits in a male counterpart it is an instant cause for rejection.

We have a 60% failure rate in U.S. marriages which indicates a failure in expectations, tradition, or a significant change in our basic social structure that requires, in any case, major academic studies to determine a new and correct modus operandi. I am part French and in France the expectation is toward two marriages in a life time. I will not go further into detail but it shows that each country has a set value of tradition that serves mutual expectations. Maybe we need better defined traditions.

Thank You

350Driver,
There is a brick and mortar service in my local area that is very expensive. They boast a high percentage satisfaction rate which they can not substantiate with hard numbers or client reviews. They are not affiliated with any other organization [church, social group, industry group, etc] and offer no guarantee other than secret discretion to their clienteles. I managed to get one of the secretaries to admit she has gone on several dates with many of their clients. It is completely legal, however, it sounded to me very much like high end prostitution.

I have no problem with prostitution other than it seems to be a breading ground for other disruptive social influences. If two industrial engineers can put together a successful service, my interest is in determining the odds of success using the financial backing and notoriety of a social organization as a promotional source; such as a specific church affiliation, an industry target market [scientific, medical, aviation, etc.] or a specific age bracket.

This would entail a targeted market approach, considerable industry contacts and survey results from potential clients. This would be very much time intensive and not something I would attempt on a whim or without backing. If there is interest, however, we might be able to put together a mission statement to present to a list of investors.

Just an idea.
I understand your "idea" as well as what you are saying......I have tried a few of these services and have gotten many responses, date proposals, etc (I have yet to take anyone out that I met online). I can tell you that a picture is pretty much a "must" if you intend to get any desired results. I have not even looked at emails/im's that I have gotten from females without a picture/profile, a waste of time if you ask me. Another problem that I have found is that they want to talk on the phone way too much, a major turn off if you ask me, not really into that at all. There is nothing worse than wasting the day away on a cell in my opinion.

I still believe in the conventional methods of meeting women (ex> work, gym, church, bar, club, mall, etc, etc) , more so than meeting them on some website. The invention of the internet has been great, has paired people up, blah, blah, blah, ... I just feel that it is too much of a gamble and waste of time to invest too much interest in someone via a chatroom or online dating site. It is nice in a way to be able to meet some interesting people but you need to draw a line at some point and say that enough is enough. Many are gold diggers, etc, etc, so be very careful. When you play the game don't let your guard down and make sure you are the one that is calling the shots.


good luck,

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