Dam oshkosh

[IfIHadABoat]

This time of year

There was rumor of a fatal in an RV on 9-27 on Saturday. Never heard if it was more with than a rumor.

123.45 is hillarious this time of year.

Also, left downwind arrivals on 18 on Saturday with a good tailwind made for some interesting overshoots of final. It's always nice to see a cessna cross controlled over a camping area at 100 feet.


Boat

 

[ISaidRightTurns]

Yes, I must be clueless. I am, of course, not referring to 121 or 135 ops. We are talking singles here. Gramps flying around without a clue.

From now on I will full dissolve and dilute my posts as to eliminate any confussion.

 

[sky37d]

There was rumor of a fatal in an RV on 9-27 on Saturday. Never heard if it was more with than a rumor.

Boat

Not fatal.
there were 2
Regis#: 619BS Make/Model: EXP Description: EXP-
Date: 07/24/2005 Time: 1704

Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Substantial

LOCATION
City: OSHKOSH State: WI Country: US

DESCRIPTION
ACFT MADE A HARD LANDING ON ITS RIGHT SIDE, OSHKOSH, WI

INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

WEATHER: 1653Z 25011G15KT 10SM CLR 33/23 A2979

Here was the RV

Regis#: 9PT Make/Model: RV6 Description: RV-6
Date: 07/24/2005 Time: 0036

Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: Minor Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Minor

LOCATION
City: OSHKOSH State: WI Country: US

DESCRIPTION
ACFT ON LANDING, LANDED SHORT AND FLIPPED OVER, OSHKOSH, WI

INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1 Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

WEATHER: 0053Z 18010KT 10SM CLR 23/20 A2997


Looks like the RV was lucky. Probably got slow in the conga line.

 

[sky37d]

A P-51 crashed during the airshow yesterday.

RIP, and condolences to the family.

 

[labbats]

You must be a little "clueless" yourself. Most FAA issued opsspecs under Part 135 do not allow for cancelling IFR unless the crew is in direct contact with...well, let me quote the following from a typical opspec C77:

"Uncontrolled airports: The flightcrew is in direct communciation with an air/ground communications facility or agent of the certificate holder that provides airport traffic advisories and information that is pertinent to conditions on and around the landing surface during the terminal phase of flight; and the flight is operated within 10 nautical miles of the destination airport, or visual reference with the landing surface is established and can be maintained throughout the approach and landing."

If some sort of incident should occur, I don't think the resulting investigation would indicate that just because the pilot was communicating with the teenage lineboy hired last week meant they were in direct comm with someone who could safely provide the required information.

There are also considerations for minimum altitudes to be flown which may allow the pilot to maintain required visual contact with the airport or a preceeding aircraft but not required separation from clouds (ie...one may only be 200 ft below the ceiling until initiating final descent).

Also, cancelling IFR early eliminates all SAR protections built into the system. A lot of company ops procedures do not allow for cancelling until landing.

Lastly, our tax dollars pay for the IFR system and a lot of us fully intend to use it to our benefit...not yours.

Hey Glasshouses, hang on to that stone a minute...

We're talking about Oshkosh, you're talking about part 135. It also takes a real jerk not to cancel IFR on a clear day into the busiest GA airport in America. Finally, those controllers are awarded that spot. It's a coveted thing, and not something they dole out to lineboys.