Dalton Departure - TEB

[Rythm3]

Hello -

I am currently looking for feedback from anyone who has experience with the Dalton Departure at Teterboro. I did a search and didn't really find anything about it on here.

At the company that I fly for, we are prohibited from operating VFR at any time (no airborne IFR clearences or cancellations), but since TEB is one of our most common destinations, management is considering the use of this departure to alleviate future delays when the situation arises.

We are mainly looking for any safety related issues associated with the DP before we would be allowed to accept it, but any feedback at all, whether positive or negative would be appreciated.

Thanks --

 

[drinkduff77]

I've flown the Dalton 19 probably 100 times or so. The main purpose of it is to get you out legally under the arrivals into EWR. Once you're clear of the EWR traffic, 5 mi or so after t/o, you will get cleared to climb which activates your IFR. I'm a little rusty on the procedure having not flown it in a couple of years. It could get complicated with a loss of comms after takeoff if the wx is marginal. I never felt like I was compromising safety by flying it and thought it was kinda fun. Also, 19 is the preferred runway for noise abatement over 24 if you fly a loud aircraft.

 

[sleepy]

I have never had any problems using the Dalton. It is better than getting a noise letter from the Port Authority. Get 3 of those and you are banned from TEB.

 

[Raskal]

I understand the hesitation about the vfr issue, I had the same one. You are only technically vfr for 5 miles...often a shorter time than when departing a non-controlled field. Not to mention, if you refuse this delays can get absolutely outrageous at times-your pax would be pretty upset if they found out they could've left, and rightfully so.

It's easy and safe...here's a link if you don't have one. I'd suggest printing this out and keeping it if you don't have a copy.

http://web.nbaa.org/public/ops/airports/teb/ops/R24_T5A_Dalton.pdf

 

[DrProc]

Another FYI, is that the Dalton is not published in NOS charts, only in Jepps. SO if you use NOS charts print out a copy if you are headed to TEB.

 

[GIVDrvr]

Used the Dalton many times most recently last week and never had any safety issues. ATC will still provide 1000 ft vert sep if the EWR arrival overhead is a Heavy or B757 but you can see 500 vert otherwise and get an occassional bump from wake turb. We got out 6 dep slots sooner by accepting this and every little bit helps after a nice afternoon of gate hold.

 

[Waldom]

The Dalton departure is a nice option to have when departing TEB.

This is demonstrating a marvelous grasp of the obvious, but keep in mind that the 1300' altitude restriction comes up pretty quickly in a high performance aircraft, particularly because you will likely be leveling while still in the left turn initiated at 800'. Don't forget the 190 knot speed restriction.

If management is still mulling it over, why not have all of your company pilots fly the Dalton in the simulator during their next recurrent and seek their feed-back?

 

[Mason]

The Dalton departure is a nice option to have when departing TEB.

This is demonstrating a marvelous grasp of the obvious, but keep in mind that the 1300' altitude restriction comes up pretty quickly in a high performance aircraft, particularly because you will likely be leveling while still in the left turn initiated at 800'. Don't forget the 190 knot speed restriction.

If management is still mulling it over, why not have all of your company pilots fly the Dalton in the simulator during their next recurrent and seek their feed-back?

Very good point. It gets busy quickly in something like a lightly loaded Lear making the turn at 800, leveling at 1300 and keeping it below 190kt.

 

[part61]

Dalton is our depature of choice out of TEB, we use it to avoid a nasty letter from the noise police. I think its safe and you are only VFR for a short amount of time. Remember once ATC clears you above 1300 you are on IFR

 

[GVFlyer]

Although our ops manual allows our pilots the discretion to accept or decline the Dalton Departure, no captain in our flight department will fly it.

GV