Dalpa Concession package

[InclusiveScope]

Inclusivescope,

If you were in civil court and you didn't like your lawyers, I bet you would change them. Sure. Now, if you don't like where ALPA is going on certain issues--then go to the Teamsters or make your own union. It just makes sense. Delta and Dalpa are currently working on a agreement between them, and it may have some overlap---but Malone and Grinstein will be signing on the dotted line. When it is all over, then you guys can negotiate for the leftovers.
Or, you guys can come in right now and say you will give up 30% (why...?)---and maybe that would ellieviate some of the cash burden from us--and I bet we would say yes to you guys getting more 70 seaters! Sure! Go for it if you want...????

Bye Bye--General Lee

General,
We aren't leaving ALPA. We have far more leverage by staying in ALPA. If we leave ALPA, then we will be like Eagle. The APA does not have a DFR issue with Eagle. They are free to screw the Eagle pilots because they are a separate union. You are not free to screw the ASA and CMR pilots due to that pesky little DFR issue. If you want to leave, feel free. We are going to stay in this dysfunctional family. Think of us as "Gypsies in the Palace".

 

[wms]

Why do you like this? Do you have any true idea of what "brand scope" really means in application or do you just like the flavor of ALPA Kool Aid?

I'm in no one's kool aid, especially the RJDCs. There is a bigger threat from out-sourcing than from DALPA. If the flying stays under the DAL umbrella it's better for the DCI/DAL pilots. Better to have expansion where we want to go than where we don't want to stay, unless you want a career as a commuter pilot.

PS I do like that concept of flow back though.

 

[surplus1]

There is a bigger threat from out-sourcing than from DALPA. If the flying stays under the DAL umbrella it's better for the DCI/DAL pilots. Better to have expansion where we want to go than where we don't want to stay, unless you want a career as a commuter pilot.

Well, I don't know where you work so I don't know what you consider to be outsourcing or who you feel is being outsourced. Apparently you have a definition of "brand scope". Perhaps if you'd care to share it. Once I know what it is, I can voice my opinion as to whether I like it or I don't. Is "brand scope" going to stop outsoucing or is it just going to give "DALPA" more control over ASA and CMR?

Personally I don't worry much about being a commuter pilot, I live in my domicile. If for some rason I wound up at the big D, then I would be forced to commute as living in Atlanta is not my cup of tea.

By the way, where is it that you want to go and who is "we"?

 

[~~~^~~~]

It is easy to pick out the guys rejected by / not qualified for the big leagues / members of / supporters of the RJDC (aka, "really just dorks coalition / we want something for nothing). Has nothing to do with ALPA, although that is the RJDC story and they are sticking to it.

And pretty easy to identify those hired based on connections to Plato, who had no objective test of their flying skills during the interview process. Most of the mainline guys are good folks with integrity and good flying skills. But, no process of weeding out the insecure jerks is perfect, is it Spanky?

 

[spanky2]

Fins,

How are you doing? How are all your new jets?

You and I have had this discussion before. I have never met Plato but will try to meet him if I ever go back to VA Ave and see if he will agree to talk to you about hiring criteria.

My question to you...why are you working at DCI and not a major carrier? If it is what you always wanted, I am happy for you.

Look in the mirror, pal. You may see some green color on your thin skin.

Fly safe.

 

[Vortilon]

Surplus,

If you got hired at the "big D" I'm sure you could again find yourself based in CVG...unless of course its all DCI-flying only by that time.

 

[DL_Infidel]

And pretty easy to identify those hired based on connections to Plato, who had no objective test of their flying skills during the interview process. Most of the mainline guys are good folks with integrity and good flying skills. But, no process of weeding out the insecure jerks is perfect, is it Spanky?

I knew guys with stronger ties to Plato than myself who didn't get hired. Yes, knowing him helped secure the interview, but not the job. Also, no airline has a process for weeding out "jerks", that is obvious.


DL_Infidel
Former J32 driver who needed no "objective test" of my flying skills.

 

[Vortilon]

Fins,

Most major interviews are about whether the person will be a healthy, good, long-term employee that you'd enjoy flying a month with. Its pretty easy to determine the applicant's flying abilities based on their past experience and work history by the time they are looked at by a major.

Other portions of the Delta interview are highly technical, however, and make sure you are mentally up to task. The training & probationary processes further weed out people whose skills (both flying and interpersonal) are not there. Although no selection process is perfect, generally the majors have a larger pool of known quantities to choose from and get good results.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Most major interviews are about whether the person will be a healthy, good, long-term employee that you'd enjoy flying a month with. The training & probationary processes further weed out people whose skills (both flying and interpersonal) are not there. Although no selection process is perfect, generally the majors have a larger pool of known quantities to choose from and get good results.

We agree.

I was just having fun with Spanky, who must have been on furlough during his probationary year. Bigotry, like the attitude he exemplified in his post, has a lot to do with why the union is in the mess it is in.

The issue remains - ALPA should not be separating its pilots into factions who bid against eachother for flying. The only justification I ever heard from Bill Buergey for his divisive stand on the DCI PID was that he felt it was beneath military pilots to have to begin their civillian careers on an E120, or RJ. He also was heard around the 2000 BOD meeting making jokes out of the lack of qualifications of the DCI pilots.

Today you see the harm that has resulted from what was then seen as "harmless."

 

[Vortilon]

Fins,

Yeah I don't quite get Buergy's attitude on that either. I know its a change from what ex-military guys have come to expect from an airline career but I think it the entry level job was an E120 @ Delta you'd still get the same type of people applying as they used to. People just don't like change.

There would be such a nice possible career track of starting as a Brakillia FO to moving through the ranks up to a 777 Captain you'd still get 3000+hr new hires and plenty of ex-military guys. As far as pay goes after all these crazy concessions the majors & "regionals" and LCCs will pay about the same for the first couple years.

Who knows.

 

[spanky2]

Fins,

Careful with your lack of knowledge/experience...not all furloughees are on probation. Some call it furlough, some call it being replaced. Anyway, no problems with DCI pilots, just the ones who follow the RJDC motto "something for nothing". Sometimes life is not fair. Play the cards you are dealt.

Fly safe.

 

[Hutcha]

*** Post deleted due to my ignorance, sorry ***

 

[shootr]

I'm not a Delta guy but I do use their jump-seat quite a bit. I believe "flow-back" in their proposal means unlimited JS'ers can "flow back from the cockpit" as long as there are empty seats in the back. Please correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds good to me.

shootr

 

[surplus1]

Hutcha

You don't pay much attention do ya? That is exactly what they have done; asked for unlimited jumpseats.