DAL Union Chief Lee Moak - "pilots WILL strike"

[satpak77]

http://sanantonio.bizjournals.com/triad/stories/2006/04/03/daily22.html

"The Delta pilots will strike if their contract is rejected," says Capt. Lee Moak, chairman of the Delta pilots union

Looks pretty closed case to me.....lets hope an agreement is reached before April 15 or Delta's shut-down and possible liquidation could actually impact the economy and the pilot hiring at other carriers, not to mention the Atlanta area economy.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Lee Moak is betting that no Judge will rule to allow the Company to toss the contract. Like the Judge in the Teamsters / Comair matter the Judge will re-set the deadline and continue every effort to push the parties towards a negotiated resolution.

As I wrote in another post, Judges hate to be overturned on appeal and everyone knows that either Delta, or ALPA, will appeal any decision that is made. Further, ALPA and the Court can drag this out for absolutely ever. ALPA dragged a discovery motion out for 11 years, which ultimately went to the Supreme Court.

No Judge wants the responsibility for deciding the fate of Delta. It can be reasonably expected that nothing will happen when the deadline comes, then gets extended.....

Certainly it would be better for Delta and their pilots if ALPA could keep the negotiations to the proper forum and avoid making grand pronouncements out of cleaning out crew rooms and distributing checklists for abandoining aircraft.

My bet is that Delta has a 86% plus completion factor all summer. If they don't the void in Atlanta will be filled nearly instantly by other carriers, mostly foriegn operators who already have a toe hold in ATL. Anyone know if CAL likes hiring Delta pilots?

 

[General Lee]

Lee Moak is betting that no Judge will rule to allow the Company to toss the contract. Like the Judge in the Teamsters / Comair matter the Judge will re-set the deadline and continue every effort to push the parties towards a negotiated resolution.

As I wrote in another post, Judges hate to be overturned on appeal and everyone knows that either Delta, or ALPA, will appeal any decision that is made. Further, ALPA and the Court can drag this out for absolutely ever. ALPA dragged a discovery motion out for 11 years, which ultimately went to the Supreme Court.

No Judge wants the responsibility for deciding the fate of Delta. It can be reasonably expected that nothing will happen when the deadline comes, then gets extended.....

Certainly it would be better for Delta and their pilots if ALPA could keep the negotiations to the proper forum and avoid making grand pronouncements out of cleaning out crew rooms and distributing checklists for abandoining aircraft.

My bet is that Delta has a 86% plus completion factor all summer. If they don't the void in Atlanta will be filled nearly instantly by other carriers, mostly foriegn operators who already have a toe hold in ATL. Anyone know if CAL likes hiring Delta pilots?

If the deadline goes without an agreement, or the arbitrators rule in the pilots' favor, then we revert back to the LOA 46 wages (---back to where we were before the last pay cut), and scope etc stays the same. The arbitrators have to decide whether or not the company needs an 1113c motion to pass to survive, and with cash on hand rising and operating profits for JAN and FEB, they will be hard pressed to be the first ones to grant that motion.

And, fins, can you give me an example of another carrier with excess capacity capability for this Summer? I think every airline will already be full on their current scheduled flights. Airtran is already full probably, along with CAL etc. Where do you come up with the 86% completion factor? If we strike, it will go to 0%. Gone, all of us.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[blzr]

I think it will be rather anticlimactic. Delta will blink, the pilots will win. There is too much at stake for EVERYONE, including the city of Atlanta, to let big D go out of buisness. My frequent flyer miles are safe


..............................I hope

 

[Capt1124]

I remember an old Mad magazine parody from back when I was a kid- I don't remember what was being parodied, some western I think- but some character says "They've taken away my manhood, and now they're working on my boyhood."

I've thought of that often over the years, many times in reference to my experiences in aviation. I can't blame the Delta pilots for being really PO'd...

 

[Caveman]

"No Judge wants the responsibility for deciding the fate of Delta."

The judge isn't responsible, DAL management is. They asked for the contract to be voided. He's just giving them what they wanted.

 

[xjlifer]

He aint gave it to them yet

 

[michael707767]

The judge isn't responsible, DAL management is. They asked for the contract to be voided. He's just giving them what they wanted.

my dad once told me be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.

 

[FlyingSig]

Certainly it would be better for Delta and their pilots if ALPA could keep the negotiations to the proper forum and avoid making grand pronouncements out of cleaning out crew rooms and distributing checklists for abandoining aircraft.

It certainly would be better for Delta, but for the pilots? Not a chance. ALPA is finally doing the right thing by playing Delta's game to their own advantage. For 3 years I've been hearing Delta negotiate in the press and brainwashing the public (when I say public, it turns out judges and politicians also read newspapers as proved evident in the November trail).

All this chest thumping is our leverage. Everydecision has a result and the world needs to know what the ramifications will be if Delta management follows through with its decision to void this labor contract. I don't think there's a party involved that doesn't know our position now, mainly due to our "posturing".

I'm sorry your company could get caught up in this mess and I'm sure it's a distraction to you, however I truly believe that setting the precident of a labor group working without a contract would be much more damaging to your career in the longrun then the temporary displeasure of having to find another job. This issue is not about Delta pilots... this issue transends aviation to all labor groups (including the auto industry who apparently read the ATA's playbook and thought it was a good idea).

 

[skystud25]

Delta can't go under...

...who will SKW fly their new 90 seaters for? (shameless attempt at goading Private Lee)

 

[General Lee]

...who will SKW fly their new 90 seaters for? (shameless attempt at goading Private Lee)

Good one. I think they will fly them for Jerry Atkin Airlines, and then get pounded by Southwest.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

"this issue transends aviation to all labor groups (including the auto industry who apparently read the ATA's playbook and thought it was a good idea)"

What kills me is that nobody in the media has put 2 and 2 together and pointed out that one of the thieves on UAL's board is the CEO of Delphi. He looks like he just did a cut-and-paste with UAL's bankruptcy playbook......BK then void contracts, dump pensions, steal millions!!!! Brilliant!!!!

 

[BobbyBiplane]

The arrogance of the DAL pilots in PTC knows no bounds. Have fun at the bottom of the seniority lists. You deserve it.

 

[General Lee]

The arrogance of the DAL pilots in PTC knows no bounds. Have fun at the bottom of the seniority lists. You deserve it.

You're awesome. Wow, you must be an ex-Eastern Scab. You sound miserable. Too bad.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Mooseflyer]

The arrogance of the DAL pilots in PTC knows no bounds. Have fun at the bottom of the seniority lists. You deserve it.

Nice holeshot - what a tool....

 

[BobbyBiplane]

arrogant



• adjective having an exaggerated sense of one’s own importance or abilities.
[SIZE=-1]— DERIVATIVES[/SIZE] arrogance [SIZE=-1]noun[/SIZE] arrogantly [SIZE=-1]adverb[/SIZE]. [SIZE=-1]— ORIGIN[/SIZE] Old French, from Latin arrogare ‘claim for oneself’. Oxford Dictionary

Whether you like it or not, you have no leverage here. All of your boasting does not change that fact.

From an basic economics perspective, you are replaceable (all be it after a period of time). As long as there is capacity within the system, you will continue to have no leverage. This is the same situation that textile workers and other laborers have had since the 1960s. To believe that you are different is, by definition, arrogant.

 

[Phaedrus]

Yes, well, economics and dictionaries aside you are still an implement for wishing ill on anyone. Did a DAL guy run off with your wife? Did a DAL gal dismiss your overtures? What's up with the hatin'? Karma.

 

[blzr]

arrogant



• adjective having an exaggerated sense of one’s own importance or abilities.
[SIZE=-1]— DERIVATIVES[/SIZE] arrogance [SIZE=-1]noun[/SIZE] arrogantly [SIZE=-1]adverb[/SIZE]. [SIZE=-1]— ORIGIN[/SIZE] Old French, from Latin arrogare ‘claim for oneself’. Oxford Dictionary

Whether you like it or not, you have no leverage here. All of your boasting does not change that fact.

From an basic economics perspective, you are replaceable (all be it after a period of time). As long as there is capacity within the system, you will continue to have no leverage. This is the same situation that textile workers and other laborers have had since the 1960s. To believe that you are different is, by definition, arrogant.

Doesn't this aaply to management as well?

 

[CaptainMark]

he calls himself bobbi...that says enough!uke:

 

[FDJ2]

From an basic economics perspective, you are replaceable (all be it after a period of time).

Ahhh, but that period of time is what truly matters now isn't it? Now go back in your corner and chew your toe nails.

 

[B6 Tech]

arrogant



• adjective having an exaggerated sense of one’s own importance or abilities.
[SIZE=-1]— DERIVATIVES[/SIZE] arrogance [SIZE=-1]noun[/SIZE] arrogantly [SIZE=-1]adverb[/SIZE]. [SIZE=-1]— ORIGIN[/SIZE] Old French, from Latin arrogare ‘claim for oneself’. Oxford Dictionary

Whether you like it or not, you have no leverage here. All of your boasting does not change that fact.

From an basic economics perspective, you are replaceable (all be it after a period of time). As long as there is capacity within the system, you will continue to have no leverage. This is the same situation that textile workers and other laborers have had since the 1960s. To believe that you are different is, by definition, arrogant.

Back to airliners.net with you... Wrong forum, go fill out trip reports with the rest of your I wish I had a girlfriend buddies....

 

[737 Pylt]

Lee Moak is betting that no Judge will rule to allow the Company to toss the contract. Like the Judge in the Teamsters / Comair matter the Judge will re-set the deadline and continue every effort to push the parties towards a negotiated resolution.

As I wrote in another post, Judges hate to be overturned on appeal and everyone knows that either Delta, or ALPA, will appeal any decision that is made. Further, ALPA and the Court can drag this out for absolutely ever. ALPA dragged a discovery motion out for 11 years, which ultimately went to the Supreme Court.

No Judge wants the responsibility for deciding the fate of Delta. It can be reasonably expected that nothing will happen when the deadline comes, then gets extended.....

Certainly it would be better for Delta and their pilots if ALPA could keep the negotiations to the proper forum and avoid making grand pronouncements out of cleaning out crew rooms and distributing checklists for abandoining aircraft.

My bet is that Delta has a 86% plus completion factor all summer. If they don't the void in Atlanta will be filled nearly instantly by other carriers, mostly foriegn operators who already have a toe hold in ATL. Anyone know if CAL likes hiring Delta pilots?

Why is it that you have to be an A'hole in every one of your posts? You forgot to mention that you and your BJ buddies at the rjdc will save the day like always.
Btw I bet CAL would hire DL pilots over scabs like your and your girlfriends!
737