DAL RJ order soon?

[N2264J]

EMB

erjpusher,

so did you ever really come up with what you think the "B" stands for in EMB?? maybe "Boat"???


duh, ERJ-EMB, whatever....

It doesn't stand for anything.

EMBraer

 

[N2264J]

Re: DAL RJ order...

It sounds like Delta saved the shareholders some money by furloughing pilots, and they are bringing them back at a lower payscale--727FE pay--we don't even have them anymore---while they sit and wait for an advanced entitlement. And, I think we all will share the "concessionary pain."

An entitlement? You're making my point. And you think the Comair pilots should help pay mainline pilots 55 hours a month to sit at home?

Look what is happeneing to your expansion plans---they will bring in more Chataqua planes if you don't. Aren't you glad you don't have your own scope clause? You should have negotiated your own expansion---but you didn't. Scope is good.

Bye Bye--General Lee: rolleyes

Well, Comair is expanding in SLC while mainline is shrinking there. So how's that scope working out for you?

By the way, Comair pilots don't have adequate scope protection because the union to which they pay their dues won't let them negotiate with the real management. An inherent conflict of interest precipitated the lawsuit that mainline pilots, many pilots at all airlines for that matter, seem incapable of comprehending.

The PID petition for merger, Date of Hire, windfall, etc. and all the talk of scope including the lie that the RJDC seeks the elimination of scope are only symptoms of the problem and frankly, red herring arguments that cloud peoples thinking and make understanding less likely. The core issue is representation (it's one of the words in the phrase Duty of Fair Representation) and ALPA's responsibility to their members at smaller airlines.

Comair pilots are being asked to pay for growth as they approach the block hour ratio limits set by the Delta MEC. This isn't passing the smell test.

 

[General Lee]

N2246J,

Well, from what I know about SLC, yes, they are losing a total of about 20 flights a day, but mainly to Montana and the late bank of flights. Yes, that is a loss. But, according to an ATL Assistant Chief Pilot, they are moving some of the ATL/CVG crews that were going thru SLC onto flights for Song, and to nonstops from ATL/CVG to other cities--like more ATL-SFO nonstops etc. (To combat Airtran/Ryan for example) And, the SLC guys are actually expanding to new cities from SLC---getting two daily Detroit flights, and adding flights to MSP and gaining PHX back.(1 flight) I am sure some of them will miss Montana, though. Comair gained a whopping 6 flights. Check out that growth. Skywest gained 22 flights I believe--because they can do it for less. ASA didn't get any, but still retain their 3 flights to California at night. Are you getting the message yet? Your growth plans are being smashed, and not really by Dalpa---but by Delta. Stand strong my brother!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[N2264J]

DAL RJ order...

Are you getting the message yet? Your growth plans are being smashed, and not really by Dalpa---but by Delta.
Bye Bye--General Lee: rolleyes

No, Comair's growth is being smashed by ALPA.

DCI is running up against the ratio limits imposed by mainline scope. Now, Comair pilots are being asked to make consessions for growth. ALPA has been complicite with management in establishing this alter ego debacle. Management will get away with it because ALPA has embraced and allows it to the detriment of all ALPA members. And, oh by the way, any consessions made by the Comair pilots will mitigate the consessions the Delta pilots have to make.

Are you getting the message yet? This is a dismal failure of the union.

 

[DAL737FO]

DCI is running up against the ratio limits imposed by mainline scope. Now, Comair pilots are being asked to make consessions for growth.

How do ratio limits have anything to do with concessions? A limit is a limit. It has nothing to do with pay. God you guys amaze me some times. The ratio limit has to do with anyone in the "Portfolio" not just Comair and ASA.

 

[~~~^~~~]

DAL737FO - You are furloughed and you do not understand how limiting demand for a pilot's services below supply ( you personify the excess supply ) results in concessionary bargaining? As you pointed out ASA and Comair are just one of seven players. The flying will go to the most cost effective airline.

We need a system scope solution to solve our mutual problem.

 

[General Lee]

Fins,

I agree with you, but limiting the number of higher paying jobs is not good. Without scope, the company would sell all mainline aircraft except for 10 777s, and have 1500 RJs---that require less pay. Some people already believe that they will NOT be a part of the next Delta hiring bonanza (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE)---and want to increase the RJs at any cost. The rest of us know that we need to keep as many mainline jets on the property as possible---and many will eventually benefit when they are hired after the furloughs return.


N2246J,

Dalpa does not determine who gets what when it comes to the DCI flying. They did come up witha scope number or percentage, and actually really increased it after 9-11---to your benefit. I don't know if DCI has even hit that greater percentage yet. But, the NEW flying will be doled out to the lowest cost provider---and Delta, not Dalpa, is pressuring you now. Who can you go to for help? Good question. You have pissed off Delta due to your long strike 2 years ago, and Dalpa isn't really happy with the RJDC thing. I don't know----Delta will give the flying to whoever cuts costs the most. Good luck.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Nindiri]

Just curious. Is the CRJ 700 a common type with the 50 seat CRJ? If it is, do most 70 seat drivers also fly the 50, or do you have a separate list? Do you still log it as CL 65?

 

[VFR on Top]

I don't know if there would have been a ratio--like 75% of each class comes from DCI---but I bet that would have worked---for all of us.

Why not 100%? Oh that's right, gotta save some seats for former squadronmates.