DAL & NWA Pilot Discussion Impasse Rumor - True or False?

[On Your Six]

So, I heard a rumor that I cannot confirm but it is interesting nonetheless. Plus, there's a precedent for it.

I hear that the NWA pilots want to ensure that the Delta pilots NEVER get access to the 747s (200s and 400s). Is that true? Odd since Delta 777 pilots currently make more than NWA 747-400 pilots...

The precedent is that Northwest pilots currently block any former Republic pilot from flying the 747s. Is that really true? I've heard that the senior Republic pilots left from that merger can only aspire to flying the A330 and not the 747s. I'm sorry, but if that's true that is just lame. How does that promote airline pilot group unity?

I realize there might be fences negotiated on certain aircraft for a few years, but not allowing the Delta pilots to ever fly the 747s? That sounds a bit harsh. True that this is only an unconfirmed rumor, but I hear that it is a potential sticking point. Wait, who's potentially acquiring whom in this case??????

Discuss...

 

[Whataburger]

I heard they dont wanna hear General Lee flappin' his gums for 10 days about how good the zebra meat is at XYZ. Or, how he was the first F.I. contributor to reach 1mil posts.

 

[ultrarunner]

I think all the Republic fences have fallen.

 

[On Your Six]

I heard they dont wanna hear General Lee flappin' his gums for 10 days about how good the zebra meat is at XYZ. Or, how he was the first F.I. contributor to reach 1mil posts.

Thanks for contributing. Let me guess, you are bored out of your mind in El Paso and you feel you need to chime in...

Any NWA guys care to offer their perspective?

 

[737 Pylt]

re: rumors

So, I heard a rumor that I cannot confirm but it is interesting nonetheless. Plus, there's a precedent for it.

I hear that the NWA pilots want to ensure that the Delta pilots NEVER get access to the 747s (200s and 400s). Is that true? Odd since Delta 777 pilots currently make more than NWA 747-400 pilots...

The precedent is that Northwest pilots currently block any former Republic pilot from flying the 747s. Is that really true? I've heard that the senior Republic pilots left from that merger can only aspire to flying the A330 and not the 747s. I'm sorry, but if that's true that is just lame. How does that promote airline pilot group unity?

I realize there might be fences negotiated on certain aircraft for a few years, but not allowing the Delta pilots to ever fly the 747s? That sounds a bit harsh. True that this is only an unconfirmed rumor, but I hear that it is a potential sticking point. Wait, who's potentially acquiring whom in this case??????

Discuss...

There are many rumors being tossed around......
The latest I've heard was that NWA MEC walked out of a meeting because they demanded DOH! (just ask the us airways how that worked out for them).
I don't get too worked up about rumors, there are way too many of them. I'll believe them when they come DIRECTLY from my MEC! Until then, much of the ones like what you posted, and I posted are just that.....Rumors!
This thing is out of any of our control. Just fasten your seat belt and hang on!

737

 

[On Your Six]

There are many rumors being tossed around......
The latest I've heard was that NWA MEC walked out of a meeting because they demanded DOH! (just ask the us airways how that worked out for them).
I don't get too worked up about rumors, there are way too many of them. I'll believe them when they come DIRECTLY from my MEC! Until then, much of the ones like what you posted, and I posted are just that.....Rumors!
This thing is out of any of our control. Just fasten your seat belt and hang on!

737

Good point - it is only a rumor. However, the precedent has already been set with Republic pilots 20 years ago. In this case, Delta would be the acquiror but NWA pilots could still insist upon permanently fencing the 747s. It sounds ridiculous to me and I wouldn't believe it if the precedent had not already been set.... It could just be a negotiating tactic if it actually happened.

Any NWA opinions or perspectives?

 

[Noserider76]

Good point - it is only a rumor. However, the precedent has already been set with Republic pilots 20 years ago. In this case, Delta would be the acquiror but NWA pilots could still insist upon permanently fencing the 747s. It sounds ridiculous to me and I wouldn't believe it if the precedent had not already been set.... It could just be a negotiating tactic if it actually happened.

Any NWA opinions or perspectives?

They can keep the 747s and DC-9s as well. I'll take the higher paying DL aircraft and 80 foot high fences covered with razor wire and KY jelly around all current DL bases.

Seriously though, I'm hoping to see them come up with a good plan for all or this thing go down in flames soon. I think they're going to waste all the time on this merger only to see the DOJ shoot it down or make it impractical to implement anyway.

 

[Donsa320]

So, I heard a rumor that I cannot confirm but it is interesting nonetheless. Plus, there's a precedent for it.

I hear that the NWA pilots want to ensure that the Delta pilots NEVER get access to the 747s (200s and 400s). Is that true? Odd since Delta 777 pilots currently make more than NWA 747-400 pilots...

The precedent is that Northwest pilots currently block any former Republic pilot from flying the 747s. Is that really true? I've heard that the senior Republic pilots left from that merger can only aspire to flying the A330 and not the 747s. I'm sorry, but if that's true that is just lame. How does that promote airline pilot group unity?

I realize there might be fences negotiated on certain aircraft for a few years, but not allowing the Delta pilots to ever fly the 747s? That sounds a bit harsh. True that this is only an unconfirmed rumor, but I hear that it is a potential sticking point. Wait, who's potentially acquiring whom in this case??????

Discuss...

Unbelievable nonsense after all these years. I'm former Republic and I got the 747-400 in freakin' 1990. Jeez, guys, put it to bed!

DC

 

[another cfii]

The ignore list is wonderful... to the person who posted all that derogatory comments, so long.

 

[Sedona16]

Unbelievable nonsense after all these years. I'm former Republic and I got the 747-400 in freakin' 1990. Jeez, guys, put it to bed!

DC

Hey, I am curious why you took the time to make a detailed listing of all the aircraft you have flown and yet all the way back in 1990 you flew the 747, arguably one of the most prized airplanes to have under a pilots belt ,and yet you failed to list it. Just curious why?

 

[IAHERJ]

Was wondering the same thing. However I believe him in that Republic pilots have been awarded the whale for years. A retired friend here in Austin retired on the -400 our of DTW in 2002. He was Republic.

IAHERJ

 

[Donsa320]

Hey, I am curious why you took the time to make a detailed listing of all the aircraft you have flown and yet all the way back in 1990 you flew the 747, arguably one of the most prized airplanes to have under a pilots belt ,and yet you failed to list it. Just curious why?

Easy, I bypassed the training and took the pay and stayed on the A-320. $205 an hour was the rate for the -400 international pay. BUT, big but, one did not get the pay until you finished training and IOE which could take months. Since retirement pay was based on one's best 5 years out of the last 10 and I only was under NWA's program for 5 years I opted for the better retirement payout. And I have gotten every penny of it too, BTW. Better than having the "vanity" type rating.

But thanks for asking.

DC

 

[jke406]

Easy, I bypassed the training and took the pay and stayed on the A-320. $205 an hour was the rate for the -400 international pay. BUT, big but, one did not get the pay until you finished training and IOE which could take months. Since retirement pay was based on one's best 5 years out of the last 10 and I only was under NWA's program for 5 years I opted for the better retirement payout. And I have gotten every penny of it too, BTW. Better than having the "vanity" type rating.

But thanks for asking.

DC

So basically, you wanted people in this thread think you flew the -400, but you never did.

Isn't that lying?

 

[On Your Six]

The ignore list is wonderful... to the person who posted all that derogatory comments, so long.

Derogatory? Were Republic pilots permanently fenced off certain aircraft or not? How did the NWA pilot group treat the Republic pilot group?

And how is that question derogatory? Enlighten us all please.

 

[Donsa320]

So basically, you wanted people in this thread think you flew the -400, but you never did.

Isn't that lying?

Lordy, where did I say I flew it? I said I "got it" as in "got the bid and got the pay". Are you an airline pilot? That is the language we used then, maybe different now I guess.

DC

 

[NuGuy]

I hear that the NWA pilots want to ensure that the Delta pilots NEVER get access to the 747s (200s and 400s). Is that true? Odd since Delta 777 pilots currently make more than NWA 747-400 pilots...

Heyas,

I don't know about the walking out part, but the fence baloney is just that. What you heard was dead wrong.

There WERE fences, but it was more like a ratio. There have been Greenbook (ex-Republic) guys on the 747-400,-200 and DC-10 from just after the merger in 86. During the Roberts Award, each position award for those aircraft, as well as the 757, were "metered" from each part of the list (red/green).

If memory serves, the red guys were metered faster than green, but once awarded, green guys exercised their FULL DOH for bidding purposes. The fences dropped dead on 01/06, so it's whatever your DOH can hold now, anyway. Lots of Green guys at the top of those lists, now.

It was this metering process that was the genesis of NWA's pecuiliar block/reserve position bids.

So, I heard a rumor that I cannot confirm but it is interesting nonetheless. Plus, there's a precedent for it....

The precedent is that Northwest pilots currently block any former Republic pilot from flying the 747s. Is that really true? I've heard that the senior Republic pilots left from that merger can only aspire to flying the A330 and not the 747s. I'm sorry, but if that's true that is just lame. How does that promote airline pilot group unity?

Before you start throwing the rhetoric around, you might want to check your facts there, Skippy. Your post is full of inuendo, and this process is hard enough without it.

Nu

 

[jke406]

Before you start throwing the rhetoric around, you might want to check your facts there, Skippy. Your post is full of inuendo, and this process is hard enough without it.

Nu

The man asked a legitimate question.

You make it sound like the negotiations are being held on FI by the guys who post here.

 

[Sedona16]

Easy, I bypassed the training and took the pay and stayed on the A-320. $205 an hour was the rate for the -400 international pay. BUT, big but, one did not get the pay until you finished training and IOE which could take months. Since retirement pay was based on one's best 5 years out of the last 10 and I only was under NWA's program for 5 years I opted for the better retirement payout. And I have gotten every penny of it too, BTW. Better than having the "vanity" type rating.

But thanks for asking.

DC

That makes sense. It just didnt add up initially when you said you got the 747 but that airplane wasn't listed. I hope you can understand why that might cause some confusion....at least a little? I have a great deal of respect for Republic pilots (much moreso than the guys you initially merged with at NWA) so I was not trying to slander you in any way. Anyway, glad you got to keep your retirement and it worked out the way it did.

 

[737 Pylt]

Lordy, where did I say I flew it? I said I "got it" as in "got the bid and got the pay". Are you an airline pilot.

DC

No he's not. Matter of fact, his school bus just left without him! Now he's going to have to find another way to the mall to troll for young boys!

737

 

[jke406]

No he's not. Matter of fact, his school bus just left without him! Now he's going to have to find another way to the mall to troll for young boys!

737

you may be a jackass, but you are also the least creative poster on this forum. congratulations.

 

[Whataburger]

Thanks for contributing. Let me guess, you are bored out of your mind in El Paso and you feel you need to chime in...

Any NWA guys care to offer their perspective?

You're wecome.
Not in El Paso, guess again if you want. You have a 1 in 64 shot. Well, 1 in 63 now.

 

[Sedona16]

Heyas,

I don't know about the walking out part, but the fence baloney is just that. What you heard was dead wrong.

There WERE fences, but it was more like a ratio. There have been Greenbook (ex-Republic) guys on the 747-400,-200 and DC-10 from just after the merger in 86. During the Roberts Award, each position award for those aircraft, as well as the 757, were "metered" from each part of the list (red/green).

If memory serves, the red guys were metered faster than green, but once awarded, green guys exercised their FULL DOH for bidding purposes. The fences dropped dead on 01/06, so it's whatever your DOH can hold now, anyway. Lots of Green guys at the top of those lists, now.

It was this metering process that was the genesis of NWA's pecuiliar block/reserve position bids.



Before you start throwing the rhetoric around, you might want to check your facts there, Skippy. Your post is full of inuendo, and this process is hard enough without it.

Nu

I think the guy was just trying to get the facts of what happened. Anyway, I think along with what you are saying, the Republic guys who would have been fenced from say 747 flying were able to bid and receive an award for that airplane if hours in excess of what was originally planned became available?

 

[Jonny Sacko]

I don't think it matters. Once the fences are in place, make them indefinite. The FIRST 747 they purchase will be bid-able by the new list. Meaning, if they never buy new 74's, yup some will never see them. That's not possible, unless they want to run them till they fall apart and die. There MUST be new orders. Maybe the 787 or 777-300 will be bought to take over for the whale.

Don't thin they will keep those things that long. I don't have a dog in the fight, but I don't believe it will matter. Good luck on implementation. I hope it hurts everyone the same amount. NO WINFALL's!

 

[Yuppyguppy]

mergers suck but they are gonna happen

 

[On Your Six]

Heyas,

I don't know about the walking out part, but the fence baloney is just that. What you heard was dead wrong.

There WERE fences, but it was more like a ratio. There have been Greenbook (ex-Republic) guys on the 747-400,-200 and DC-10 from just after the merger in 86. During the Roberts Award, each position award for those aircraft, as well as the 757, were "metered" from each part of the list (red/green).

If memory serves, the red guys were metered faster than green, but once awarded, green guys exercised their FULL DOH for bidding purposes. The fences dropped dead on 01/06, so it's whatever your DOH can hold now, anyway. Lots of Green guys at the top of those lists, now.

It was this metering process that was the genesis of NWA's pecuiliar block/reserve position bids.



Before you start throwing the rhetoric around, you might want to check your facts there, Skippy. Your post is full of inuendo, and this process is hard enough without it.

Nu

Perhaps you didn't see that I actually qualified this entire post as a rumor from the beginning. This is an information board and I asked for opinions and perspectives.

 

[Donsa320]

That makes sense. It just didnt add up initially when you said you got the 747 but that airplane wasn't listed. I hope you can understand why that might cause some confusion....at least a little? I have a great deal of respect for Republic pilots (much moreso than the guys you initially merged with at NWA) so I was not trying to slander you in any way. Anyway, glad you got to keep your retirement and it worked out the way it did.

Thanks, I just hope that any DAL/NWA merger goes smoother than REP/NWA did. But you can see already how the positions harden without even any real facts available.

The opening statement from the NWA team at the beginning of the negotiations in 1986 was "no Republic puke will ever get his hands on a Northwest wide body airplane". So the battle was on. The Tom Roberts award kinda took the wind out of their sails, I'm afraid. I did train in the A-320 under NWA's training department and I received excellent training and the utmost courtesy in every respect. Unfortunately the DC-10 program was run by hardliners and they gave REP guys a really bad time for a while. I'm glad I missed that.

DC

 

[DTW320]

The top 35 Captains on the 747-400 are former green book.