DAL New Hire Demographic

[AEROSQUADRON69]

Has anyone who has not finished college been hired? Military background help?

Thanks.

 

[Ed Harley]

Everyone I've written LOR's for who got interviews did not get the job. All were easygoing, incredibly personable, and had killer resumes and educations. And then I heard we hired a 0-PIC pilot who failed 2 upgrade attempts, is in messed up legal trouble, and had one of our own pilots call the company saying "I KNOW THIS PERSON, PLEASE DON'T HIRE THEM."
We probably took on a lot of great people, but personally, I've lost faith in Delta's pilot selection process.

BS. It annoys me the people who make up excuses like this to explain why they weren't hired. I've met a few of the new hire classes and the overwhelming majority are 30 something white males. One thing is for sure, they are all extremely talented and qualified. The resumes and backgrounds on most of these pilots are incredible. Lots of PIC, APD's, chief pilots, master's degree's, etc...

It's a HR persons wet dream when Delta receives 20,000 resumes for a few hundred jobs. Creme of the crop.

If you applied to Delta and didn't get hired, don't make up BS excuses about affirmative action. Just face the fact that it's pretty competitive to get hired at a major and you just got beat out.

 

[Captainzero1]

BS. It annoys me the people who make up excuses like this to explain why they weren't hired. I've met a few of the new hire classes and the overwhelming majority are 30 something white males. One thing is for sure, they are all extremely talented and qualified. The resumes and backgrounds on most of these pilots are incredible. Lots of PIC, APD's, chief pilots, master's degree's, etc...

It's a HR persons wet dream when Delta receives 20,000 resumes for a few hundred jobs. Creme of the crop.

If you applied to Delta and didn't get hired, don't make up BS excuses about affirmative action. Just face the fact that it's pretty competitive to get hired at a major and you just got beat out.

After all, hiring is suppose to be based on meritocracy!

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

I am a Check Airman, TT of 9000 PIC, 4k PIC all in JET. No college, no faa incidents or accidents, good letters of rec = zero calls.. Oh well, I'll just enjoy the regionals until someone is desperate enough to hire just a pilot, and not someone that has a B.S. in basket weaving

 

[slapstick]

BS. It annoys me the people who make up excuses like this to explain why they weren't hired. I've met a few of the new hire classes and the overwhelming majority are 30 something white males. One thing is for sure, they are all extremely talented and qualified. The resumes and backgrounds on most of these pilots are incredible. Lots of PIC, APD's, chief pilots, master's degree's, etc...

It's a HR persons wet dream when Delta receives 20,000 resumes for a few hundred jobs. Creme of the crop.

If you applied to Delta and didn't get hired, don't make up BS excuses about affirmative action. Just face the fact that it's pretty competitive to get hired at a major and you just got beat out.

Yeah because when I wrote "guys I wrote LOR's for", I really meant myself. Boo hoo for me.

Really though, I've met 2 newbies now, and both were awesome folks with plenty of solid experience. In the end, luck has a lot to do with it.

 

[Tweaker]

I'm a white male and I disagree with this statement. I will say that some minority races are given unfair advantages, but we are not discriminated against.

Uh, that is the very definition of discrimination, dummy! You think it only means you had crosses burned in your yard or yo' mammy was hung from a tree?

 

[AnimalTale]

I am a Check Airman, TT of 9000 PIC, 4k PIC all in JET. No college, no faa incidents or accidents, good letters of rec = zero calls.. Oh well, I'll just enjoy the regionals until someone is desperate enough to hire just a pilot, and not someone that has a B.S. in basket weaving

Get that darn degree, dude. Whats the hold up?, play the game if you want out of the regionals.

CYA

 

[Jiminmem]

I've met 5 new hires from this year. All were white males, between the ages of 34 and 45. They were all very sharp individuals. I have no idea of what the actual new hire demographics were, but at least 95% of the people I see in ops are white males.

 

[ultrarunner]

I am a Check Airman, TT of 9000 PIC, 4k PIC all in JET. No college, no faa incidents or accidents, good letters of rec = zero calls.. Oh well, I'll just enjoy the regionals until someone is desperate enough to hire just a pilot, and not someone that has a B.S. in basket weaving

The degree opens the door. Or keeps in shut. Simple as that.

 

[jonjuan]

I am a Check Airman, TT of 9000 PIC, 4k PIC all in JET. No college, no faa incidents or accidents, good letters of rec = zero calls.. Oh well, I'll just enjoy the regionals until someone is desperate enough to hire just a pilot, and not someone that has a B.S. in basket weaving

The world needs ditch diggers too.

 

[fareview]

I am a Check Airman, TT of 9000 PIC, 4k PIC all in JET. No college, no faa incidents or accidents, good letters of rec = zero calls.. Oh well, I'll just enjoy the regionals until someone is desperate enough to hire just a pilot, and not someone that has a B.S. in basket weaving

With a post like that...you need a college education.

No company wants 'just a pilot'. And if you have'nt figured that out... a little bit of night school might get you to where your educated friends already are.

fv

 

[BRA]

I am a Check Airman, TT of 9000 PIC, 4k PIC all in JET. No college, no faa incidents or accidents, good letters of rec = zero calls.. Oh well, I'll just enjoy the regionals until someone is desperate enough to hire just a pilot, and not someone that has a B.S. in basket weaving

I think you'll get something, it is just somewhat of a lottery right now. May be no one at Delta even saw your resume yet? It is possible with how many good ones they must have. It may just be as simple as that. If I applied I wouldn't like my chances of a call right now and I have 3000 PIC or so on an aircraft that they operate. They only have so many jobs openings to go around right now. You do need a touch of luck in all this as well.

Just think about how many things that you have tried to get over the years that didn't happen that now you look back on and think that you are glad they didn't happen. May be some place will call that you end up liking better than a potential delta career.

Here is my list of places that didn't call me that I am happy about so far:

North American
Frontier
Comair
America West
Astar
Miami Air
Continental

(not putting them down, company aside I like my particular crew base situation now better than what these places would have to offer)

 

[GogglesPisano]

Not having a BS/BA is a dealbreaker at DAL. It's not preferred, it's a requirement.

It's been that way for decades.

"Graduate of a four-year degree program from a college or university accredited by a recognized accredited organization
Degrees obtained from a non-U.S. institution must be evaluated for equivalency to U.S. degrees by a member organization of the National Association of Credential Evaluation Services (NACES)
Postgraduate education will be given favorable consideration."

 

[BRA]

Not having a BS/BA is a dealbreaker at DAL. It's not preferred, it's a requirement.

It's been that way for decades.

"Graduate of a four-year degree program from a college or university accredited by a recognized accredited organization
Degrees obtained from a non-U.S. institution must be evaluated for equivalency to U.S. degrees by a member organization of the National Association of Credential Evaluation Services (NACES)
Postgraduate education will be given favorable consideration."

Well if he doesn't have that then a call never would go out. May be his user name is his real name. Delta might not want someone that once held John Candy at gun point.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I am a Check Airman, TT of 9000 PIC, 4k PIC all in JET. No college, no faa incidents or accidents, good letters of rec = zero calls.. Oh well, I'll just enjoy the regionals until someone is desperate enough to hire just a pilot, and not someone that has a B.S. in basket weaving

No degree, no call. It is that simple here at Delta. Read the min quals for them to look at any applicant. An Accredited Bachelors degree is a min. Many have post graduate work or degrees.

Sucky or not it is the way Ma Delta does it.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Delta does not favor any type of person. They hire those that meet their qualifications, not min quals mind you but what they deem will be the best, employee, pilot, and ambassador for their corporation.

From what I can tell, they like big picture, pragmatic individuals. Contrary to what people think, 99% of the pilots here at DAL are just that, as well as personable. I enjoy every person whom I share a cockpit with.

 

[GogglesPisano]

I'll echo what ACL said. I've been on the property 3 years and this is my third airline. I have yet to come across a "5%-er" here (as in every airline pilot seniority list has a few mean-spirited, horse's ases.) That's not to say there aren't any, but I have yet to come across one. At my two previous gigs (ACA and World) they were more prevalent -- not in abundance -- but they were there.

Very rarely do people slam-click here. We enjoy each other's company, enjoy great layovers and generally have a blast. No other job I've ever had -- aviation or non-aviation -- even comes close to the amount of job satisfaction and enjoyment I experience here. The conversations are as varied as the backgrounds. Despite the variation there is a common trait amongst the pilot corps here -- we're all pretty much nice people who would do anything for a fellow pilot, and almost anything to accomplish the mission (short of violating FAR's/FOM/PWA.)

Unfortunately they only have a day or two to really get to know you at the interview, and I know a few really great people who were turned down. That is the limitation on the selection process.

But at the end of the day -- despite this limitation -- I think they do as near a perfect job in the selection process as is possible. (After all, they hired me )

 

[relief tube]

I am a Check Airman, TT of 9000 PIC, 4k PIC all in JET. No college, no faa incidents or accidents, good letters of rec = zero calls.. Oh well, I'll just enjoy the regionals until someone is desperate enough to hire just a pilot, and not someone that has a B.S. in basket weaving

for some reason, Delta's big on college.

 

[sstearns2]

I am a Check Airman, TT of 9000 PIC, 4k PIC all in JET. No college, no faa incidents or accidents, good letters of rec = zero calls.. Oh well, I'll just enjoy the regionals until someone is desperate enough to hire just a pilot, and not someone that has a B.S. in basket weaving

I was a check airman on my previous aircraft, 9000+TT, 4500 PIC in turbo prop or jet, BS in Aero Engineering (with 2 years working in aerospace), built my own airplane, 1 internal rec from senior DL captain I've known for 20 years, no tickets or incidents. No call. Go figure.

Cheers,
Scott

 

[Sioux115]

for some reason, Delta's big on college.

Not to be that guy, but UND's Dean of Aviation was Delta's director of training and he has a PH.D. For what its worth, when he would sit in for our prof. he would preach education and talk about how important education was to large companies like DELTA.