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[HomerJ]

Alright, let bash fairly.

JBLU has uncut the market with unsustainable pricing that has been spending the investor raised cash to subsides airfares.

Now the time has come when the IPO cash is dwindling and those that can really run an airline are showing it takes more than an IPO.

Hope you smurfs have a backup plan because it is going to be a long winter working under regional standards with RJ pay during the recession for the next few years.

You sound an awful lot like our old friend 32LT10. He, or maybe you, blamed JB for everything from global warming to male F/A's. As my friend in the previous post stated, move on before you give yourself an ulcer.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

JBLU day is coming sooner than you think.

I have already been told from a recent JBLU pilot who quit how JBLU is avoiding those A320 payments a little longer. JBLU sells a five year old A320 instead of doing the C check on it and replaces it with a new delivery. Great long term strategy.

It is just another example of how piss poorly run JBLU is today.

What other unmaintained items doesn't JBLU do as it should?

I really liked illegal round trip transcons with the same crew. Great idea. JBLU has lowered industry standards but thankfully it will not be enough to save their poorly managed and run crap box of an airline.

 

[737 Pylt]

And what is DL's management doing? If you're going to bash, please bash fairly...

Really!

737

 

[Skank]

Alright, let bash fairly.

JBLU has uncut the market with unsustainable pricing that has been spending the investor raised cash to subsides airfares.

Now the time has come when the IPO cash is dwindling and those that can really run an airline are showing it takes more than an IPO.

Hope you smurfs have a backup plan because it is going to be a long winter working under regional standards with RJ pay during the recession for the next few years.

How did we "uncut the market"? IPO cash? Are you f-in" kidding me? Do you have any idea how long IPO cash would last in todays world, Herr Einstein? You don't read much, do you?

Suggestion: turn on Fox news, drink another beer, and don't worry yourself too much.

 

[HomerJ]

JBLU day is coming sooner than you think.

I have already been told from a recent JBLU pilot who quit how JBLU is avoiding those A320 payments a little longer. JBLU sells a five year old A320 instead of doing the C check on it and replaces it with a new delivery. Great long term strategy.

It is just another example of how piss poorly run JBLU is today.

What other unmaintained items doesn't JBLU do as it should?

I really liked illegal round trip transcons with the same crew. Great idea. JBLU has lowered industry standards but thankfully it will not be enough to save their poorly managed and run crap box of an airline.

Wow. It's obvious someone pissed blue in your corn flakes this morning, and debating you rationally won't be an option. Have a great holiday, try to be thankful for the good things you have, and good luck to you at your airline of choice.

 

[Headfake14]

JBLU day is coming sooner than you think.

I have already been told from a recent JBLU pilot who quit how JBLU is avoiding those A320 payments a little longer. JBLU sells a five year old A320 instead of doing the C check on it and replaces it with a new delivery. Great long term strategy.

It is just another example of how piss poorly run JBLU is today.

What other unmaintained items doesn't JBLU do as it should?

I really liked illegal round trip transcons with the same crew. Great idea. JBLU has lowered industry standards but thankfully it will not be enough to save their poorly managed and run crap box of an airline.

um...okay...yea, I had to read your post a couple times just to make sure it really was as stupid as it sounded.

Selling 320s--We've slowed our growth because it was WAY too fast/costly...sooo...here is a novel idea, instead of bailing out of deliveries of NEW airframes, lets shave off a couple older ships per year and keep our delivery sched. Yep...sounds dumb {sarcasm here}

Run Pisspoorly--Well, we almost DOUBLED what anylists said we'd make per share for the summer. Our ontime, lost bags and completion factor #s are real good...and improving. Yep...we don't know how to run an airline {more sarcasm}

Illegal Trans cons--That was with FAA permission, but when the FAA was going to be introuble for allowing it....oops, our fault. There was a 3rd "relief pilot" onboard similar to crossing the pond staffing.

Crap box of an airline?--Yea, 3 years of winning the JD Power award means nothing. Along with all the other ones we get. that does sound like a definition of crappy. {aaaand more sarcasm}



...[[ ouch ]]...damn, a piece of the sky just hit me...

 

[clickclickboom]

JBLU day is coming sooner than you think.

I have already been told from a recent JBLU pilot who quit how JBLU is avoiding those A320 payments a little longer. JBLU sells a five year old A320 instead of doing the C check on it and replaces it with a new delivery. Great long term strategy.

It is just another example of how piss poorly run JBLU is today.

What other unmaintained items doesn't JBLU do as it should?

I really liked illegal round trip transcons with the same crew. Great idea. JBLU has lowered industry standards but thankfully it will not be enough to save their poorly managed and run crap box of an airline.

I remember an airline called song that could fill every seat on every flight and they would still be unable to make money.

Okay back on track..

Jetblue did complete c checks on the 5 320's sold.. Plus they were fully depreciated and brought top top dollar literally from what i heard only about 10 million less than a brand new bird which is remarkable unless of course you are selling a 3 yr old gV which will sell for more than new.

Add new planes get rid of older ones throw a couple hundred million in the bank and grow the airline 7-10% a year doesnt sound like a bad plan to me

 

[FDJ2]

Illegal Trans cons--That was with FAA permission,

Not really.

but when the FAA was going to be introuble for allowing it....oops, our fault.

It's the fault of the FAA official who over stepped his authority and it's JBLU's fault for not knowing any better and yes, they should have.

There was a 3rd "relief pilot" onboard similar to crossing the pond staffing.

Not really. He wasn't a relief pilot, he was on duty in the cockpit the entire flight and the pilots did not rotate duties to ensure each had a relief break in an authorized relief seat or bunk.

 

[clickclickboom]

Illegal Trans cons--That was with FAA permission,

Not really.

but when the FAA was going to be introuble for allowing it....oops, our fault.

It's the fault of the FAA official who over stepped his authority and it's JBLU's fault for not knowing any better and yes, they should have.

There was a 3rd "relief pilot" onboard similar to crossing the pond staffing.

Not really. He wasn't a relief pilot, he was on duty in the cockpit the entire flight and the pilots did not rotate duties to ensure each had a relief break in an authorized relief seat or bunk.

I am afraid you are incorrect Rows 1-3 were removed and 2 pilot rest bunks were installed complete with xm radio and 36 channels of direct tv

 

[FDJ2]

I am afraid you are incorrect Rows 1-3 were removed and 2 pilot rest bunks were installed complete with xm radio and 36 channels of direct tv

No, he wasn't a relief pilot and they didn't rotate assignments, these flights were not operated in a manner similar to a long haul international flight.

PAGE ONE Pilot-Fatigue Test Lands JetBlue
In Hot Water

Airline Pushed FAA Limits
On Cockpit Time but Failed To Tell Passengers on Planes
By ANDY PASZTOR and SUSAN CAREY
October 21, 2006

Last year, thousands of JetBlue Airways passengers became unwitting participants in a highly unusual test of pilot fatigue.
Without seeking approval from Federal Aviation Administration headquarters, consultants for JetBlue outfitted a small number of pilots with devices to measure alertness. Operating on a green light from lower-level FAA officials, management assigned the crews to work longer shifts in the cockpit -- as many as 10 to 11 hours a day -- than the eight hours the government allows. Their hope: Showing that pilots could safely fly far longer without exhibiting ill effects from fatigue.
The results of the test haven't yet been made public -- they are expected to be published by the end of the year -- and JetBlue executives say even they don't know the findings. But the experiment has landed JetBlue in hot water while fueling a fierce debate within the airline industry about how long pilots should be allowed to stay at the controls.
At a time when every airline is itching to cut costs, squeezing more flying time from pilots has become a huge financial issue for carriers. But it is also a hot topic for regulators: The National Transportation Safety Board has cited pilot fatigue as an increasingly important factor in aviation accidents.
It has been nearly 18 months since the novel experiment, but the test -- along with the FAA's ultimate conclusion that it amounted to a backdoor effort to skirt safety rules -- continues to roil parts of the aviation world. Senior FAA officials, angered by the move, privately say the airline's approach has backfired. Because of heightened emotions about the test, proposals to extend the workday for commercial pilots have been pushed even further down the list of priorities at the FAA, they say.
FAA headquarters heard about the test from pilot-union officials and their supporters. When the head office "became aware that JetBlue operated some domestic flights outside the standard rules, we immediately investigated and took corrective action," said James Ballough, head of flight standards for the agency. Mr. Ballough says officials are "confident that JetBlue's pilots are flying to the FAA's rules" now.
Another high-ranking FAA policy maker expressed his displeasure more bluntly: "We don't allow experiments with passengers on board, period."
The airline says it never intended to mislead anyone at the FAA, and the JetBlue spokeswoman chalked the situation up to "a miscommunication," though, she says, in retrospect the company understands "we have to widen the circle of consultation." JetBlue said: "Safety is our bedrock value. It is the fundamental promise we make, and keep, to our customers and crew members."
The spokeswoman says there were no in-flight emergencies during the test period, and safety was never compromised because a third pilot was always on board to take the controls if needed. The JetBlue pilots who participated in the experiment volunteered for the assignment.
The concept of measuring second-by-second reactions of JetBlue pilots in everyday flight conditions was championed by Mark Rosekind, a well-known sleep researcher who previously has worked as a consultant for a number of large U.S. and foreign carriers.
JetBlue looked to Mr. Rosekind and his Cupertino, Calif., consulting firm, Alertness Solutions, to help sell the data-gathering idea to regulators. The overall plan was laid out in early 2005 for the FAA's district office in New York, which is responsible for overseeing the New York-based carrier's operations and its 1,500 pilots. That office expressed support for the plan.
The two-pilot crews were equipped with specially designed motion detectors on their wrists to measure activity, and participated in tests with hand-held computing devices that issued random prompts and then recorded the speed of responses. All told, JetBlue says 29 pilots, including the backup aviators, participated in more than 50 data-gathering flights during May 2005. All of the flights were domestic, and a big portion were coast-to-coast trips.
The carrier says it proceeded under the assumption that local FAA officials had the power to approve the company's plans under so-called supplemental flight rules. Those rules specify that airlines flying longer distances must have at least one extra pilot on board so no single pilot flies more than eight hours in total. However, in the JetBlue test, even though each flight had a third pilot on board, the original crews stayed at the controls for more than 10 hours a day. None of the reserve pilots ever replaced a regular crew member.
"Passengers would be shocked that this was going on," says David Stempler, president of Air Travelers Association, an advocacy group for travelers. When travelers "buy tickets on commercial flights, they don't expect to be test pilots themselves."