DAL CR700 Pay?

[trigeek]

General,
Are you trying to antagonize Surplus et al? Sorry dude, I don't see any j4j anytime soon. Leo and Company didn't sit the Comair strike out losing hundreds of millions of dollars to turn around and fly RJs with our benefits package or anything that resembles it. DCI already represents 54% of Delta system ASMs. Leo has all the DCI carriers overlaping to prevent a shutdown similar to CVG during the strike. While the idea has merit as does "one list", the reality is it won't happen. The concessions for either of those ideas are too costly and the pilot group won't pay for them. Reality sometimes sucks but thats why its called reality.

 

[General Lee]

Trigeek,


Reality? We hold the cards--that is reality. IF Delta wants concessions (which we DON'T HAVE TO GIVE)---we will get 70 seaters for our furloughs. Delta wants relief on the 57 70 seater cap---they like the plane. IF they want more--they will ASK us for some. That is reality. IF DELTA WANTS MORE THAN 57 70 SEATERS----IT HAS TO GO THROUGH DALPA. Can you understand that? They said (Joe Kolshack--the VP of Flt Ops) that. That provision is NOT subject to Force Mejeur. DCI is allowed to fly up to 43% of our flying---not 53% or whatever you said. That is up from 36%. We haven't even negotiated the pay on those planes or the benefits---but I am sure we would be reasonable because the whole game has changed. And we are even looking at some sort of compromise at Mainline---the Dalpa MEC is looking over the books right now. But, IF we do give anything back, we will get something in return. We will get our pilots back in some cockpits as soon as possible. We will have some sort of snapbacks in pay. We hold the cards here. Leo and company said that we do not have to talk about anything until 2005---and negotiations could last two more years. We will look it over and have our analysts look it over too. I just saw an article that stated that Delta expects more losses during a war with Iraq----but it also stated that we increased our fuel hedging to around 77% at 79 cents for this quarter, and 78% for 78 cents next quarter---which will save us big $$$. Regardless---we will try for those 70 seaters---no doubt. Reality sucks, don't it?

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Tim47SIP]

I Dunno

Leo has all the DCI carriers overlaping to prevent a shutdown similar to CVG during the strike. While the idea has merit as does "one list", the reality is it won't happen. The concessions for either of those ideas are too costly and the pilot group won't pay for them. Reality sometimes sucks but thats why its called reality.

If the DALPA MEC tries to get 70, 90, and 110 seat aircraft to be flown on DCI routes over the 57-70 seater cap, then it could work. Instead of giving them DCI super seniority, they could create an additional DCI subsidiary using DCI infrastructures, payrates and compensation packages. The furloughed guys could fly them and more than likely, there would be a need for additional (volunteer) DCI pilots to fill the void. Eventually, Delta would start expanding and all of these pilots would move up from the furloughed list first, (volunteer) assigned DCI second, then ASA/Comair third (into the new subsidiary). The new subsidiary could be used permanently to creat an intermeiate step between DCI and DALPA. Gives DALPA a fallback and DCI hope. Just another opinion.

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

Absolutely not. I appreciate you trying to think outside the box Tim, but I would rather be furloughed than allow any airplane over 70 seats to be flown by anyone but Delta pilots. Your idea has merit if it were limited to 70 seats, but if mgt wants bigger than that, they know who has to fly them, and under what contract.

 

[ReportCanoa]

You finna see me flossin my -900 serie bombardier up in tha ATL.

So you BETTA stop TRIPPIN!

 

[General Lee]

Reportcanoa,

Nope. Wrong. Sorry.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ReportCanoa]

Allright, just a joke!!!

 

[surplus1]

Tim47SIP

That almost sounds as though you are planning to "volunteer"?

 

[trigeek]

General,
Don't get me wrong. I would love to see the furloughs flying Delta Colors of any type. I just don't see it as a realistic possibility. You can build great scenarios but in the end, if they cost the company money, it probably won't happen. While most of the junior pilots on our list are willing do just about anything to protect those furloughed, there are many at the top of our list that a griping about the Cobra assessments. I have flown with more than one Capt who is ready to give the no furlough clause to the company as a concession. If fact, a Capt I recently flew with told me that whatever productivity increases we gave were fine, but he would not take a pay cut that might hurt is FAE.
He said, "You young guys can get the concessions back in the next contract. You have to watch out for those of us near retirement. We won't have that option."
The point I'm trying to make is there are many on the list with different priorities. Don't think that eveyone cares about the furloughs. Many near retirement ONLY care about FAE and will do anything to protect it. Not my view but what I often have to listen to on transcon flights.

tri

PS. Productivity improvements don't save the company any money if they still have the same number of pilots on the payroll. Food for Thought
Don't shoot the messenger..but this is why I don't see it realistically happening.