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AP
Delta Prepares to Emerge From Bankruptcy
Tuesday March 27, 9:16 am ET
By Harry R. Weber, AP Business Writer Delta Air Lines Expects to Emerge From Bankruptcy With Eye on Returning to Profitability
ATLANTA (AP) -- Delta Air Lines Inc. expects to emerge from bankruptcy April 30 with an eye on returning to profitability, improving customer service and selling more assets to build shareholder value, the company said Tuesday.
The nation's third biggest carrier did not say in documents prepared for an investor conference what assets it plans to sell. The documents were filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Atlanta-based Delta addressed its future business plan at Tuesday's conference.
The filing suggested Delta slightly moved up the date of its planned emergence from Chapter 11. It had said in a statement March 20 it expected to emerge from bankruptcy in early May. It sought protection from creditors in September 2005.
Delta is expected to announce later this week who will serve on its post-bankruptcy board of directors. The board will pick a new chief executive officer to replace Gerald Grinstein, who has said he plans to step down sometime after Delta exits Chapter 11.
Grinstein told investors at the conference that he hopes the new 11-member board is announced by Friday. He said the official committee of unsecured creditors in Delta's bankruptcy case will choose the board. At least three board members will be current board members. Grinstein said he would stay on the board until his successor as CEO is named.
He said his strong preference for a successor is an internal candidate. Chief Financial Officer Ed Bastian and Chief Operating Officer James Whitehurst are considered by many to be leading internal candidates for the top job.
"My persuasive powers will be brought to bear to see if we can make an internal selection and do it quickly," Grinstein said. "At that point, my role has ended."
Grinstein also addressed questions about industry consolidation and where Delta factors in.
Grinstein said he doesn't think it is the right time for major airlines to merge.
"I do think that is going to be deferred for several years, three or four years," said Grinstein, whose company earlier this year successfully fought off a hostile bid by Tempe, Ariz.-based US Airways Group Inc. to buy Delta. "Do I think six network carriers are too many? No, I don't."
As for Delta and its role in possible consolidation, Grinstein said, "Frankly, I see its future more as an acquirer rather than being acquired."
Grinstein said it's not out of the question that a major carrier could buy a low-cost carrier.
Grinstein said his opinion about consolidation among major carriers could change if another carrier makes a move.
"If another merger were to take place, it would have a significant forcing impact on Delta, and Delta would have to look at its options," Grinstein said.
But he said putting big airlines together is easier said than done -- especially blending the cultures of different companies.
"You have to really look at whether you want to take that on, and I have a high degree of skepticism," Grinstein said.
Delta said its objectives for this year, in addition to exiting bankruptcy, include achieving the financial commitments in its transformation plan, boosting margins and building cash for long-term strength.
It will continue to expand its international service, with a special focus on its service from New York City's John F. Kennedy International Airport.
Delta said in the investor documents it also wants to improve baggage handling, streamline and enhance customer service and improve the operational performance of the feeder carriers that service its Delta Connection flights.
Good morale among employees will be key to the customer service initiatives, Grinstein said.
"Delta has traditionally had that. It wavered for a bit, but for a variety of reasons I think it is coming on strong," Grinstein said.
The company's plan to "unlock shareholder value" includes building on its maintenance repair and overhaul business and "further monetization of assets," a phrase that refers to the sale of assets.
Delta has not said what its future plans are for subsidiary Comair Inc., the Erlanger, Ky.-based regional carrier that provides connecting service for the airline.
Delta has spent the last two years cutting costs, restructuring its business and working to increase revenue. "This company is not going to look the same coming out of bankruptcy as it did going in," Grinstein told investors.
 
Will that also be the date on which they announce the purchase of JetBlue?

GP
 
I think they are going to sell the shuttle to SWA and use that money to pay down debt. I then think they might try a LBO of JetBlue to regain a NY presence and eliminate a major competitor.

Very interesting going forward for sure.
 
I think they are going to sell the shuttle to SWA and use that money to pay down debt. I then think they might try a LBO of JetBlue to regain a NY presence and eliminate a major competitor.

Very interesting going forward for sure.

They'll never sell the Shuttle.
 
Delta Plans More Asset Sales
Tuesday March 27, 10:11 am ET
By Harry R. Weber, AP Business Writer
Delta Plans More Asset Sales to Build Shareholder Value


ATLANTA (AP) -- Delta Air Lines Inc. expects to emerge from bankruptcy April 30 with an eye on returning to profitability, improving customer service and selling more assets to build shareholder value, the company said Tuesday.
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While the nation's third biggest carrier did not say in documents prepared for an investor conference what assets it plans to sell, Chief Financial Officer Ed Bastian suggested that Delta subsidiary Comair Inc. could be a target.

"We will, once we're out of bankruptcy, look at whether owning that business makes a lot of sense," Bastian said at the conference.

He didn't elaborate on Delta's future plans for the Erlanger, Ky.-based regional carrier that provides connecting service for the airline.

Atlanta-based Delta addressed its future business plan at Tuesday's conference.

The documents, which Delta filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, suggested Delta slightly moved up the date of its planned emergence from Chapter 11. It had said in a statement March 20 it expected to emerge from bankruptcy in early May. It sought protection from creditors in September 2005.

Delta is expected to announce later this week who will serve on its post-bankruptcy board of directors. The board will pick a new chief executive officer to replace Gerald Grinstein, who has said he plans to step down sometime after Delta exits Chapter 11.

Grinstein told investors at the conference that he hopes the new 11-member board is announced by Friday. He said the official committee of unsecured creditors in Delta's bankruptcy case will choose the board. At least three board members will be current board members. Grinstein said he would stay on the board until his successor as CEO is named.

He said his strong preference for a successor is an internal candidate. Bastian and Chief Operating Officer James Whitehurst are considered by many to be leading internal candidates for the top job.

"My persuasive powers will be brought to bear to see if we can make an internal selection and do it quickly," Grinstein said. "At that point, my role has ended."

Grinstein also addressed questions about industry consolidation and where Delta factors in.

Grinstein said he doesn't think it is the right time for major airlines to merge.

"I do think that is going to be deferred for several years, three or four years," said Grinstein, whose company earlier this year successfully fought off a hostile bid by Tempe, Ariz.-based US Airways Group Inc. to buy Delta. "Do I think six network carriers are too many? No, I don't."

As for Delta and its role in possible consolidation, Grinstein said, "Frankly, I see its future more as an acquirer rather than being acquired."

Grinstein said it's not out of the question that a major carrier could buy a low-cost carrier.

Grinstein said his opinion about consolidation among major carriers could change if another carrier makes a move.

"If another merger were to take place, it would have a significant forcing impact on Delta, and Delta would have to look at its options," Grinstein said.

But he said putting big airlines together is easier said than done -- especially blending the cultures of different companies.

"You have to really look at whether you want to take that on, and I have a high degree of skepticism," Grinstein said.

Delta said its objectives for this year, in addition to exiting bankruptcy, include achieving the financial commitments in its transformation plan, boosting margins and building cash for long-term strength.

It will continue to expand its international service, with a special focus on its service from New York City's John F. Kennedy International Airport.

Delta said in the filing it also wants to improve baggage handling, streamline and enhance customer service and improve the operational performance of the feeder carriers that service its Delta Connection flights.

Good morale among employees will be key to the customer service initiatives, Grinstein said.

"Delta has traditionally had that. It wavered for a bit, but for a variety of reasons I think it is coming on strong," Grinstein said.

The company's plan to "unlock shareholder value" includes building on its maintenance repair and overhaul business and "further monetization of assets," a phrase that refers to the sale of assets.

Bastian said Delta is projecting a pretax profit, excluding special and reorganization items, of $816 million in 2007. He said Delta expects to get a positive vote of creditors on the airline's reorganization plan, which he said should be approved by the bankruptcy court after a hearing April 25. There are no "show stoppers" that Delta is aware of, Bastian said.

Delta has spent the last two years cutting costs, restructuring its business and working to increase revenue.

"This company is not going to look the same coming out of bankruptcy as it did going in," Grinstein told investors.
 
NO!
But don't be surprised if you see a rather "large" aircraft order.
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Will that be a large order of aircraft or a order of large aircraft?
 
First a large small aircraft order then about 60 day or so after exit a large large aircraft order.
 
Fact is that DAL has a precedence on how they handle corporate takeovers as it pertains to pilots.
Right...that's why I'll be asking the above question. I personally think we will be screwed with no lube, but that's just my opinion...
 
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Depends on what you think good is. Heck someone always gets the short stick in these types of things.
 
Out of curiousity does JB pilots have their merger protection clause up and running yet? If yes will this really do any good? Why would Delta offer to merge guys in unless they had to when they could hire off the street with longevity starting at day one instead of year 7? Also what about the guy who left three years at JB to come to Delta because he took a risk and had faith in Delta. If JB pilots were given DOH then this guy would be punished for believing in Delta. Food for thought.
 
And it wouldn't be good for the JetBlue guys.

I say we should give them DOH if it happens at all. Then, our bottom guy (well, he was the bottom except for the recent newhires) would easily hold A320 Captain in JFK. I would be #1 on the A320 as a Captain, and Diesel8 would be my FO. Will this happen at all? I don't know, but people keep saying it would be cheaper to buy Jetblue and get it's new terminal rather than re-do our current JFK terminal. If you read our CFO's statements today (about having to be #1 in NYC), it would be wrong to think we could be number 1 with that crappy JFK terminal of ours. Who knows?


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Why would Delta merge them at all? Delta did not merge ASA even though we had much more operational integration, the same union and had been running 105 seat jets.

I'm just throwing that out there. When ASA was bought most of my senior friends at Delta thought we would be stapled and were surprised by the eventual turn of events.

Don't get me wrong, I would want a merger, but the precedent at Delta is actually not to merge. Particularly when you consider the JetBlue fleet has more in common with Chautauqua than Delta.
 
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Why would Delta merge them at all? Delta did not merge ASA even though we had much more operational integration, the same union and had been running 105 seat jets.

I'm just throwing that out there. When ASA was bought most of my senior friends at Delta thought we would be stapled and were surprised by the eventual turn of events.

Don't get me wrong, I would want a merger, but the precedent at Delta is actually not to merge. Particularly when you consider the JetBlue fleet has more in common with Chautauqua than Delta.

I think our contract has something in there about owning another airline with planes that have seats more than 76 seats. But, since they are not ALPA, if we did buy them they would have very little protection. Your BAe146s with 105 seats were grandfathered in. And, you know we have decreased the number of different planes in our fleet from 13 to 7 in the past few years.(remember the MD11, L1011, 767-200, 727, 737-300, 737-200?) I am sure we could add two more, the A320 and E190. You never know. Bastian wants to be number 1 in NYC, so we have to do some things before we get there. We have to fight CAL, AA, and Jetblue.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Curious why you think JetBlue should be merged and ASA and Comair should not have been? Really curious given that 49% of Delta's block and probably a majority of domestic hours are now flown by non seniority list pilots as a result of this position. (Not to mention a completely unneccesary furlough)

Again, I think all Delta flying should be done by Delta pilots - always have. But I'm befuddled as to why Delta pilots think JetBlue pilots are "worthy" when a jihad was waged on ALPA members who had been performing Delta flying for years.

An arbitrary 76 seats doesn't hold much water while I sit here and watch a 90 seater taxi past the window and park where the 105 seater used to park under the same connection banner.

And ASA's 105 seat limit was negotiated down to 50 seats with a limited number of grandfathered 70's. Why not just do the same to JetBlue and flippin take their airplanes?

Guess I need to hurry up and get over things that happened 8 years ago, but darn, the Delta seniority list did not HAVE to shrink by more than a third and it would not have have been the end of the world if I ended up at the same place on the list that I will now, if hired.
 
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Not sure if anyone said it but in the eyes of Dalpa JB is a non union shop. There is nothing that needs to be done other how well the Delta guys want to sleep at night. JB also has been one of Delta's LCC thorns. I hope I dont see this but all of JB personel do not have any of the protection provided by a union unless something was written in the purchess agreement of the airline. Now reality is with all those airplanes pilots do need to fly them. But at what pay rate. First year pay is alot better than any other in the eyes of managment. But then you have all the problems associated with dapla FO ousting JB captains and the training mess it would cause. Again JB pilots have no protection from getting the boot other than logistical common sence and some sort of morals. I am sure the delta pilots are running around thinking they can't wait to blast some poor JB crew out of there seats. If the plane are purchessed they need crews and fast. If fences are throne up and and JB personal are stapled... maybe... all the flamers can run around screaming murder or yippidy do da and look into there crystal ball for that one.
 
Easter Bunny

B6 has a market cap of a little under 3 billion, not to mention the stock owned by employees. What would make anyone think that the B6 board would consider an offer from DAL or even take it seriously? I think the DAL creditors would want to see that kind of money being returned to them rather than on frivalent spending? DAL said no to LCC. Midwest said no to Airtran, I think the same would happen with this wonderful idea.
I do wish all the DAL folks the best in "coming out" on the 30th though.
 
Not sure if anyone said it but in the eyes of Dalpa JB is a non union shop. There is nothing that needs to be done other how well the Delta guys want to sleep at night. JB also has been one of Delta's LCC thorns. I hope I dont see this but all of JB personel do not have any of the protection provided by a union unless something was written in the purchess agreement of the airline. Now reality is with all those airplanes pilots do need to fly them. But at what pay rate. First year pay is alot better than any other in the eyes of managment. But then you have all the problems associated with dapla FO ousting JB captains and the training mess it would cause. Again JB pilots have no protection from getting the boot other than logistical common sence and some sort of morals. I am sure the delta pilots are running around thinking they can't wait to blast some poor JB crew out of there seats. If the plane are purchessed they need crews and fast. If fences are throne up and and JB personal are stapled... maybe... all the flamers can run around screaming murder or yippidy do da and look into there crystal ball for that one.


Ben,

I was just joking. I am sure IF IT HAPPENED AT ALL, there would be huge fences and nobody would be displaced, for awhile. But if we were in expansion mode I am sure some JB pilots could bid DL 767ER INTL FO and move to the INTL side too eventually. It would probably all work out, if it happened. Long term though, it may take awhile to upgrade if you haven't already, with 3000 Delta FO's in front of you. It is all speculation until something happens, and that isn't for sure yet, although you may want to read my other thread about reinvesting in NYC (according to our CFO). It is interesting, and puzzling.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
B6 has a market cap of a little under 3 billion, not to mention the stock owned by employees. What would make anyone think that the B6 board would consider an offer from DAL or even take it seriously? I think the DAL creditors would want to see that kind of money being returned to them rather than on frivalent spending? DAL said no to LCC. Midwest said no to Airtran, I think the same would happen with this wonderful idea.
I do wish all the DAL folks the best in "coming out" on the 30th though.


Here are a few statements (in random order from a couple different articles) that you can maybe piece together. Nobody really knows what the plans are, but it seems like they want to build up JFK, and be the big fish in NYC. You never know....


Mr. Bastian said Delta has completed plans for a long-term strategy at JFK International airport in New York City, but the airline "needs to be looking at alternatives" to its current facilities there, as competition heats up from other airlines. Delta's goal is to generate sustained profitability in the New York market, while holding the biggest market share at JFK and LaGuardia airports combined.



Also, Delta said it has positioned itself to reinvest roughly $6 billion into its business. The company said it's generating strong cash flow from operations, while strengthening its balance sheet.





When mergers do occur, Mr. Grinstein said he expects Delta to be an acquirer.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Why would Delta want to add the A320 to it's fleet type? Rumor has it that they have wanted EMB190's and of course 787's and maybe 748's for some Australian flying.

But the A320's for B6 are leased, I believe. Why not just return them?
 
Why would Delta want to add the A320 to it's fleet type? Rumor has it that they have wanted EMB190's and of course 787's and maybe 748's for some Australian flying.

But the A320's for B6 are leased, I believe. Why not just return them?

I guess they could do that, if it happened at all. Not all at once, I would bet. The A320s provide better feed than Comair RJs.

Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Ben,

I was just joking. I am sure IF IT HAPPENED AT ALL, there would be huge fences and nobody would be displaced, for awhile.


for the record, I want to say that I believe no matter what the integration methon in any merger, no one gets displaced. You keep your seat. If that means some FOs at Delta are senior to some guys flying captain at JB (for example) then so be it. Same thing when USAir/AWA come out with thier list
 
Why would Delta want to add the A320 to it's fleet type? Rumor has it that they have wanted EMB190's and of course 787's and maybe 748's for some Australian flying.

You will never see a 747 at Delta unless they come in a merger. And even then they would only be around until Delta could unload them.
 

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