DAL and its employees being anti-union is holding up FAA funding bill

[DieselDragRacer]

http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insi...lta-air-lines-named-as-party-to-faa-shutdown/

 

[jonjuan]

Sounds like AFA is licking its chops at the $$$$ it could suck up. From what I understand, they already voted no using the new rules. Harry Reid is shameless.

 

[SkiFishFly]

MOre like the idiots in DC are holding it up!

 

[Raoul Duke]

This is one issue I hope gets held up a very long time. I have no problem knowing that the Republicans have managed to single handedly shrink the FAA overnight by 4,000 heads. Could not happen to a better agency. Give 'em hell Delta

 

[DonVerita]

The blocking of the FAA extension is due to 2 reasons, both of them originating with House Republicans:

1. EAS (Essential Air Service). Republicans want to cut it. I'm fine with that as this program is a huge waste of taxpayer $ for very little benefit gained.

2. Limiting the ability of airline employees to form unions. As usual, the anti-union, anti-worker Republican party lapdogs are licking the boots of their big business corporate campaign money donors. They want the new NMB rule that says a Yes vote means "Yes" and a No vote means "No" and a non-vote means nothing to be -reversed- and brought back to like it was in the old days where a non-vote was counted as a "No" vote. That I do have a major problem with.

So don't blame Harry Reid. He is sticking up for YOUR right to unionize. Blame the crackpot Tea Party and their Republican cohorts.

 

[DonVerita]

This is one issue I hope gets held up a very long time. I have no problem knowing that the Republicans have managed to single handedly shrink the FAA overnight by 4,000 heads. Could not happen to a better agency. Give 'em hell Delta

What a simplistic attitude.

While you gloat over this, did you know that engineers responsible for modernizing the ATC system are now not able to do that. Construction projects for airport modernization as well as surface pavement repair are now halted.

 

[Raoul Duke]

he is trying to reverse a rule that has been in place for 75 years, solely for the AFA - and they even lost under the "fixed" rules. I have no problem with the FAA being shut down over this.

 

[Full of LUV]

What a simplistic attitude.

While you gloat over this, did you know that engineers responsible for modernizing the ATC system are now not able to do that. Construction projects for airport modernization as well as surface pavement repair are now halted.

How could we get the Feds to furlough half of the Dept Of Ed , Dept of Commerce, Dept of Ag and a whole host of other Depts that fill the office space of DC with technocrats making six figures. The FAA always seemed to be one of the more leaner agencies ironically compared to those other bloated agencies.
LUV

 

[Dizel8]

You can throw jetblue in the ring as well, they have gone on record at wanting the RLA to return to the old rules.

 

[F9 Driver]

The blocking of the FAA extension is due to 2 reasons, both of them originating with House Republicans:

1. EAS (Essential Air Service). Republicans want to cut it. I'm fine with that as this program is a huge waste of taxpayer $ for very little benefit gained.

Whether you agree with EAS or not, the taxes that would have been collected in the first week of the shutdown would have paid for the ENTIRE 2012 EAS program.

There's got to be a better way to enact change than this!

 

[michael707767]

So don't blame Harry Reid. He is sticking up for YOUR right to unionize. Blame the crackpot Tea Party and their Republican cohorts.

You can still unionize if you want. Reid is trying to make it impossible not to unionize. Face it, some employee groups do not want a union. If they don't, it should not be forced upon them.

 

[tico]

You can still unionize if you want. Reid is trying to make it impossible not to unionize. Face it, some employee groups do not want a union. If they don't, it should not be forced upon them.

Actually michael(typical military pilot)707767 you are wrong...and delta is wrong and the original law was wrong....counting a non-voter as a no vote....why cant a non-voter be counted as a yes vote....what is right is to tally all votes....yea and nay.....if the nay's have it....good..if the yea's have it good.....for all the blind sheep who listen to their "old south republicrat leaders" and do nothing....well...tough ********************

 

[jumppilot1000]

How about this...everyone is forced to vote yes or no, no abstaining. Would do away with this argument.

 

[cocknbull]

Actually michael(typical military pilot)707767 you are wrong...and delta is wrong and the original law was wrong....counting a non-voter as a no vote....why cant a non-voter be counted as a yes vote....what is right is to tally all votes....yea and nay.....if the nay's have it....good..if the yea's have it good.....for all the blind sheep who listen to their "old south republicrat leaders" and do nothing....well...tough ********************

Actually you are wrong. It means that the majority of employees must want a union and vote for it. A vocal minority should never be allowed to change a work environment. Furthermore the rules were not changed on decertifying a union. As it stands now a non vote is a pro union vote when it comes to decertifying the union. Thats not fair at all.

 

[cocknbull]

The blocking of the FAA extension is due to 2 reasons, both of them originating with House Republicans:

1. EAS (Essential Air Service). Republicans want to cut it. I'm fine with that as this program is a huge waste of taxpayer $ for very little benefit gained.

2. Limiting the ability of airline employees to form unions. As usual, the anti-union, anti-worker Republican party lapdogs are licking the boots of their big business corporate campaign money donors. They want the new NMB rule that says a Yes vote means "Yes" and a No vote means "No" and a non-vote means nothing to be -reversed- and brought back to like it was in the old days where a non-vote was counted as a "No" vote. That I do have a major problem with.

So don't blame Harry Reid. He is sticking up for YOUR right to unionize. Blame the crackpot Tea Party and their Republican cohorts.

No offense but you are an idiot! The airlines give a boat load of money to both sides of the isle. Furthermore if the Dems wanted fairness when it comes to unions in the workplace why weren't they for allowing unions to be decertified in the same manner. As it stands a vocal minority can elect a union but a non-vote is a pro union vote when it comes to decertification of the union. Just another way the Dems want to force their socialist agenda on the rest of us and then make it impossible for us to get out from underneath there mistakes.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

The blocking of the FAA extension is due to 2 reasons, both of them originating with House Republicans:

1. EAS (Essential Air Service). Republicans want to cut it. I'm fine with that as this program is a huge waste of taxpayer $ for very little benefit gained.

2. Limiting the ability of airline employees to form unions. As usual, the anti-union, anti-worker Republican party lapdogs are licking the boots of their big business corporate campaign money donors. They want the new NMB rule that says a Yes vote means "Yes" and a No vote means "No" and a non-vote means nothing to be -reversed- and brought back to like it was in the old days where a non-vote was counted as a "No" vote. That I do have a major problem with.

So don't blame Harry Reid. He is sticking up for YOUR right to unionize. Blame the crackpot Tea Party and their Republican cohorts.

Sort of true.

There are 2 bills in progress right now.

1. A stop gap bill which the FAA has been operating under for several years under several different bills. This bill already passed by the house includes the elimination of the EAS routes but does not address the Union deal. So it is currently the DEMS in the senate who are holding up the funding until the stop gap would expire in NOV. costing the FAA billions.

2. The full funding bill(re-authorization) which includes the union issue. This one is being held up by the republicans in the house.

 

[N2264J]

Re: A Shutdown Engineered For A Company

Delta’s Greed Helps Shut Down The FAA
By Dave Johnson

You probably don’t know that another act of hostage-taking by Republicans is underway. They have shut down the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to help Delta Airlines in its battle to keep its workers from voting in a union...

The shutdown is keeping the FAA from collecting federal taxes on airline tickets at a cost of $200 million in revenues each week even as the country struggles with deficits...

Republicans inserted anti-union language into the FAA funding reauthorization and are refusing to fund the agency unless Democrats agree to change these union election rules to help Delta.

http://dirtyhippies.org/2011/08/03/deltas-greed-helps-shut-down-the-faa/

 

[surplus1]

You can still unionize if you want. Reid is trying to make it impossible not to unionize. Face it, some employee groups do not want a union. If they don't, it should not be forced upon them.

Why should someone who does not vote be counted as a vote against, because Delat Air Lines thinks that's a good idea?

If that same rule that Mica and the Republicans want was applied to congressional elections not a single member of the House would be there today. That's how ridiculous this is.

Let them apply the rule to their own districts. Every registered voter who does not vote should be counted as a vote against the incumbent Republican. Mica himself would be among the first to go, which is long overdue.

The subsidies are not the problem. The problem is the Republican anti-union ideology.

Delta has always been an anti-union company. What we should do is find a way to apply this rule to DALPA - then we'll see how many of you like the idea.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Democrats stacking the rules governing these types of things will only result in payback when they are no longer in control (hopefully 2012 - I want my change back) which wil just perpetuate a back and forth that will do nothing but harm the economy more. This was a stupid land grab on the part of the Democrats for the sole purpose of aiding the NW Isle Donkeys and even with the stacked deck they lost.

 

[cocknbull]

Why should someone who does not vote be counted as a vote against, because Delat Air Lines thinks that's a good idea?

If that same rule that Mica and the Republicans want was applied to congressional elections not a single member of the House would be there today. That's how ridiculous this is.

Let them apply the rule to their own districts. Every registered voter who does not vote should be counted as a vote against the incumbent Republican. Mica himself would be among the first to go, which is long overdue.

The subsidies are not the problem. The problem is the Republican anti-union ideology.

Delta has always been an anti-union company. What we should do is find a way to apply this rule to DALPA - then we'll see how many of you like the idea.

Well actually it would be a vote against the challenger not the incumbent if you wanted to make a proper comparison. In fact to make a fair comparison you would have to submit that to get an incumbent out a non vote would be a vote for the incumbent because to decertify a union a non vote is a vote for the union. Two way street my friend. Delta is not anti-union the employees of Delta are anti-union and that is THEIR choice....not yours and not Washington's!

What is ridiculous about this is your lack of logic and reasoning. In-fact a non vote is not a no vote. That is the way your myopic mind looks at it. The reality is that the logic of this process is to ensure that a majority of the employee group is in favor of a union and on the flip side for decertification a majority are against the union. In the case of the AFA at Delta the FAs rejected the AFA with both types of votes and Washington still can't accept that. Just another example of Dems not playing fair when they don't get their way.

 

[wmuflyguy]

No other elections I am aware of count votes that are not cast, why should this be any different? If your apathetic and don't vote you don't get a say. If you decide not to vote for the POTUS, Senator, or Congressmen it doesn't count as a vote for the incumbent.

 

[Smarta$$]

It should be a majority decision by those that actually vote. If you don't vote, you don't get to have an influence on the election.

Republicans are very wrong on this one.

 

[surplus1]

Delta is not anti-union the employees of Delta are anti-union and that is THEIR choice....not yours and not Washington's!

OK, fair enough. If that is the case why don't Delta's pilots just leave their union - not for another - and go non union? Maybe you all would like to cut your pay another 30% since you say D employees are anti-union. Like you say, it's your choice, so why not make it?

What is ridiculous about this is your lack of logic and reasoning. In-fact a non vote is not a no vote. That is the way your myopic mind looks at it. The reality is that the logic of this process is to ensure that a majority of the employee group is in favor of a union and on the flip side for decertification a majority are against the union. In the case of the AFA at Delta the FAs rejected the AFA with both types of votes and Washington still can't accept that. Just another example of Dems not playing fair when they don't get their way.

The logic of my process would be to give the majority of the electorate is in favor of a political candidate. The way it is now, the majority of those that choose to vote decide the election. All I want to do is agree with the Republicans = anyone who does not vote counts as a vote against. Therefore, if you don't get a majority of all eligible voters you are not elected. Not just a majority of those that voted.

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for gander. We'll see how many elections the right wing ccould win on that basis.

 

[jumppilot1000]

why can't they force everyone to vote?

 

[Full of LUV]

why can't they force everyone to vote?

Are you kidding....one of the main charges by the AFA against DAL on the last vote they lost was that DAL improperly influenced the election because employees were allowed to vote during company time if they hadn't.
AFA said that was coercion. Can you imagine if everyone HAD to vote.....

 

[cocknbull]

OK, fair enough. If that is the case why don't Delta's pilots just leave their union - not for another - and go non union? Maybe you all would like to cut your pay another 30% since you say D employees are anti-union. Like you say, it's your choice, so why not make it?



The logic of my process would be to give the majority of the electorate is in favor of a political candidate. The way it is now, the majority of those that choose to vote decide the election. All I want to do is agree with the Republicans = anyone who does not vote counts as a vote against. Therefore, if you don't get a majority of all eligible voters you are not elected. Not just a majority of those that voted.

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for gander. We'll see how many elections the right wing ccould win on that basis.

Our non union employees are among the best compensated in the industry. Ask the NWA FAs how they feel making less for the same company. The Dems have made it nearly impossible to vote out a union. Still today after the voting rules change the process of voting out a union remand the same. A non vote counted as a vote to keep the Union.

The Dems should have allowed union decertification through a simple majority but they did not. Instead they changed it so to get a union in only required a simple majority while voting one out remand the old way. The ATA sured because this was obviously not fair but they were not successful.
This is why the Republicans are upset and want either the decertification process changed or a change back to the old way. No work force should ever be forced into unionization with no hope of voting it out if it becomes useless which is exactly what the Dems are doing. The Dems are the cause of this!

I honestly don't care either way if it is done without malcontent. Unfortunately thats not the way the Dems play. Either make it a simple voting majority to certify and decertify or make it a overall majority to certify and decertify. The Dems are trying to manipulate society as usual and they just keep messing it up!

 

[uba757]

Our non union employees are among the best compensated in the industry. Ask the NWA FAs how they feel making less for the same company. The Dems have made it nearly impossible to vote out a union. Still today after the voting rules change the process of voting out a union remand the same. A non vote counted as a vote to keep the Union.

The Dems should have allowed union decertification through a simple majority but they did not. Instead they changed it so to get a union in only required a simple majority while voting one out remand the old way. The ATA sured because this was obviously not fair but they were not successful.
This is why the Republicans are upset and want either the decertification process changed or a change back to the old way. No work force should ever be forced into unionization with no hope of voting it out if it becomes useless which is exactly what the Dems are doing. The Dems are the cause of this!

I honestly don't care either way if it is done without malcontent. Unfortunately thats not the way the Dems play. Either make it a simple voting majority to certify and decertify or make it a overall majority to certify and decertify. The Dems are trying to manipulate society as usual and they just keep messing it up!

Man are you serious! Democrats try to manipulate society! Republicans are the reason our country is in the Social, Cultural and Economical hole we find ourselves in today. The Republicans screwed the economy up for 8 years and then blame everyone else except themselves. We have wasted BILLIONS of dollars in a war we should of never gotten involved in. The TAX breaks, well there are more MILLIONAIRES in the US today than ever before, their tax break should be rolled back. $4 BILLION in tax breaks for oil companies, that is absurd! Oil companies profit about $10 Billion per company, per quarter! Why do they need a Tax break????? Republicans try to manipulate what I can watch on TV, listen to on the radio, how I am supposed to believe in god, etc!! In short, They try to MANIPULATE SOCIETY! The Democrats are far from perfect and let me tell you, they are almost as bad as the Republicans, the key word being, ALMOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Smarta$$]

Man are you serious! Democrats try to manipulate society! Republicans are the reason our country is in the Social, Cultural and Economical hole we find ourselves in today. The Republicans screwed the economy up for 8 years and then blame everyone else except themselves. We have wasted BILLIONS of dollars in a war we should of never gotten involved in. The TAX breaks, well there are more MILLIONAIRES in the US today than ever before, their tax break should be rolled back. $4 BILLION in tax breaks for oil companies, that is absurd! Oil companies profit about $10 Billion per company, per quarter! Why do they need a Tax break????? Republicans try to manipulate what I can watch on TV, listen to on the radio, how I am supposed to believe in god, etc!! In short, They try to MANIPULATE SOCIETY! The Democrats are far from perfect and let me tell you, they are almost as bad as the Republicans, the key word being, ALMOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agree.

 

[Dan Roman]

One thing for sure, the Bush tax cuts sure didn't create jobs. The so called job creators are in fact wealth creators, not job creators. They cut jobs and shipped many jobs overseas in the name of higher corporate profits and unprecedented management bonus's, all the while while the middle class continues to get squeezed.

 

[cocknbull]

Way to stay on topic guys. I pointed out a flaw in the current voting rules and not one of you can comprehend it and respond to it. You just spew rhetoric which is simplistic and sophomoric. Just keep telling yourself you are educated and the Republicans are a bunch of god fearing idiots that love rich people and hate poor people. Good luck with that!

Good day, I'm out!