DAL and its employees being anti-union is holding up FAA funding bill

[DieselDragRacer]

http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insi...lta-air-lines-named-as-party-to-faa-shutdown/

 

[jonjuan]

Sounds like AFA is licking its chops at the $$$$ it could suck up. From what I understand, they already voted no using the new rules. Harry Reid is shameless.

 

[SkiFishFly]

MOre like the idiots in DC are holding it up!

 

[Raoul Duke]

This is one issue I hope gets held up a very long time. I have no problem knowing that the Republicans have managed to single handedly shrink the FAA overnight by 4,000 heads. Could not happen to a better agency. Give 'em hell Delta

 

[DonVerita]

The blocking of the FAA extension is due to 2 reasons, both of them originating with House Republicans:

1. EAS (Essential Air Service). Republicans want to cut it. I'm fine with that as this program is a huge waste of taxpayer $ for very little benefit gained.

2. Limiting the ability of airline employees to form unions. As usual, the anti-union, anti-worker Republican party lapdogs are licking the boots of their big business corporate campaign money donors. They want the new NMB rule that says a Yes vote means "Yes" and a No vote means "No" and a non-vote means nothing to be -reversed- and brought back to like it was in the old days where a non-vote was counted as a "No" vote. That I do have a major problem with.

So don't blame Harry Reid. He is sticking up for YOUR right to unionize. Blame the crackpot Tea Party and their Republican cohorts.

 

[DonVerita]

This is one issue I hope gets held up a very long time. I have no problem knowing that the Republicans have managed to single handedly shrink the FAA overnight by 4,000 heads. Could not happen to a better agency. Give 'em hell Delta

What a simplistic attitude.

While you gloat over this, did you know that engineers responsible for modernizing the ATC system are now not able to do that. Construction projects for airport modernization as well as surface pavement repair are now halted.

 

[Raoul Duke]

he is trying to reverse a rule that has been in place for 75 years, solely for the AFA - and they even lost under the "fixed" rules. I have no problem with the FAA being shut down over this.

 

[Full of LUV]

What a simplistic attitude.

While you gloat over this, did you know that engineers responsible for modernizing the ATC system are now not able to do that. Construction projects for airport modernization as well as surface pavement repair are now halted.

How could we get the Feds to furlough half of the Dept Of Ed , Dept of Commerce, Dept of Ag and a whole host of other Depts that fill the office space of DC with technocrats making six figures. The FAA always seemed to be one of the more leaner agencies ironically compared to those other bloated agencies.
LUV

 

[Dizel8]

You can throw jetblue in the ring as well, they have gone on record at wanting the RLA to return to the old rules.

 

[F9 Driver]

The blocking of the FAA extension is due to 2 reasons, both of them originating with House Republicans:

1. EAS (Essential Air Service). Republicans want to cut it. I'm fine with that as this program is a huge waste of taxpayer $ for very little benefit gained.

Whether you agree with EAS or not, the taxes that would have been collected in the first week of the shutdown would have paid for the ENTIRE 2012 EAS program.

There's got to be a better way to enact change than this!

 

[michael707767]

So don't blame Harry Reid. He is sticking up for YOUR right to unionize. Blame the crackpot Tea Party and their Republican cohorts.

You can still unionize if you want. Reid is trying to make it impossible not to unionize. Face it, some employee groups do not want a union. If they don't, it should not be forced upon them.

 

[tico]

You can still unionize if you want. Reid is trying to make it impossible not to unionize. Face it, some employee groups do not want a union. If they don't, it should not be forced upon them.

Actually michael(typical military pilot)707767 you are wrong...and delta is wrong and the original law was wrong....counting a non-voter as a no vote....why cant a non-voter be counted as a yes vote....what is right is to tally all votes....yea and nay.....if the nay's have it....good..if the yea's have it good.....for all the blind sheep who listen to their "old south republicrat leaders" and do nothing....well...tough ********************

 

[jumppilot1000]

How about this...everyone is forced to vote yes or no, no abstaining. Would do away with this argument.

 

[cocknbull]

Actually michael(typical military pilot)707767 you are wrong...and delta is wrong and the original law was wrong....counting a non-voter as a no vote....why cant a non-voter be counted as a yes vote....what is right is to tally all votes....yea and nay.....if the nay's have it....good..if the yea's have it good.....for all the blind sheep who listen to their "old south republicrat leaders" and do nothing....well...tough ********************

Actually you are wrong. It means that the majority of employees must want a union and vote for it. A vocal minority should never be allowed to change a work environment. Furthermore the rules were not changed on decertifying a union. As it stands now a non vote is a pro union vote when it comes to decertifying the union. Thats not fair at all.

 

[cocknbull]

The blocking of the FAA extension is due to 2 reasons, both of them originating with House Republicans:

1. EAS (Essential Air Service). Republicans want to cut it. I'm fine with that as this program is a huge waste of taxpayer $ for very little benefit gained.

2. Limiting the ability of airline employees to form unions. As usual, the anti-union, anti-worker Republican party lapdogs are licking the boots of their big business corporate campaign money donors. They want the new NMB rule that says a Yes vote means "Yes" and a No vote means "No" and a non-vote means nothing to be -reversed- and brought back to like it was in the old days where a non-vote was counted as a "No" vote. That I do have a major problem with.

So don't blame Harry Reid. He is sticking up for YOUR right to unionize. Blame the crackpot Tea Party and their Republican cohorts.

No offense but you are an idiot! The airlines give a boat load of money to both sides of the isle. Furthermore if the Dems wanted fairness when it comes to unions in the workplace why weren't they for allowing unions to be decertified in the same manner. As it stands a vocal minority can elect a union but a non-vote is a pro union vote when it comes to decertification of the union. Just another way the Dems want to force their socialist agenda on the rest of us and then make it impossible for us to get out from underneath there mistakes.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

The blocking of the FAA extension is due to 2 reasons, both of them originating with House Republicans:

1. EAS (Essential Air Service). Republicans want to cut it. I'm fine with that as this program is a huge waste of taxpayer $ for very little benefit gained.

2. Limiting the ability of airline employees to form unions. As usual, the anti-union, anti-worker Republican party lapdogs are licking the boots of their big business corporate campaign money donors. They want the new NMB rule that says a Yes vote means "Yes" and a No vote means "No" and a non-vote means nothing to be -reversed- and brought back to like it was in the old days where a non-vote was counted as a "No" vote. That I do have a major problem with.

So don't blame Harry Reid. He is sticking up for YOUR right to unionize. Blame the crackpot Tea Party and their Republican cohorts.

Sort of true.

There are 2 bills in progress right now.

1. A stop gap bill which the FAA has been operating under for several years under several different bills. This bill already passed by the house includes the elimination of the EAS routes but does not address the Union deal. So it is currently the DEMS in the senate who are holding up the funding until the stop gap would expire in NOV. costing the FAA billions.

2. The full funding bill(re-authorization) which includes the union issue. This one is being held up by the republicans in the house.

 

[N2264J]

Re: A Shutdown Engineered For A Company

Delta’s Greed Helps Shut Down The FAA
By Dave Johnson

You probably don’t know that another act of hostage-taking by Republicans is underway. They have shut down the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to help Delta Airlines in its battle to keep its workers from voting in a union...

The shutdown is keeping the FAA from collecting federal taxes on airline tickets at a cost of $200 million in revenues each week even as the country struggles with deficits...

Republicans inserted anti-union language into the FAA funding reauthorization and are refusing to fund the agency unless Democrats agree to change these union election rules to help Delta.

http://dirtyhippies.org/2011/08/03/deltas-greed-helps-shut-down-the-faa/

 

[surplus1]

You can still unionize if you want. Reid is trying to make it impossible not to unionize. Face it, some employee groups do not want a union. If they don't, it should not be forced upon them.

Why should someone who does not vote be counted as a vote against, because Delat Air Lines thinks that's a good idea?

If that same rule that Mica and the Republicans want was applied to congressional elections not a single member of the House would be there today. That's how ridiculous this is.

Let them apply the rule to their own districts. Every registered voter who does not vote should be counted as a vote against the incumbent Republican. Mica himself would be among the first to go, which is long overdue.

The subsidies are not the problem. The problem is the Republican anti-union ideology.

Delta has always been an anti-union company. What we should do is find a way to apply this rule to DALPA - then we'll see how many of you like the idea.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Democrats stacking the rules governing these types of things will only result in payback when they are no longer in control (hopefully 2012 - I want my change back) which wil just perpetuate a back and forth that will do nothing but harm the economy more. This was a stupid land grab on the part of the Democrats for the sole purpose of aiding the NW Isle Donkeys and even with the stacked deck they lost.

 

[cocknbull]

Why should someone who does not vote be counted as a vote against, because Delat Air Lines thinks that's a good idea?

If that same rule that Mica and the Republicans want was applied to congressional elections not a single member of the House would be there today. That's how ridiculous this is.

Let them apply the rule to their own districts. Every registered voter who does not vote should be counted as a vote against the incumbent Republican. Mica himself would be among the first to go, which is long overdue.

The subsidies are not the problem. The problem is the Republican anti-union ideology.

Delta has always been an anti-union company. What we should do is find a way to apply this rule to DALPA - then we'll see how many of you like the idea.

Well actually it would be a vote against the challenger not the incumbent if you wanted to make a proper comparison. In fact to make a fair comparison you would have to submit that to get an incumbent out a non vote would be a vote for the incumbent because to decertify a union a non vote is a vote for the union. Two way street my friend. Delta is not anti-union the employees of Delta are anti-union and that is THEIR choice....not yours and not Washington's!

What is ridiculous about this is your lack of logic and reasoning. In-fact a non vote is not a no vote. That is the way your myopic mind looks at it. The reality is that the logic of this process is to ensure that a majority of the employee group is in favor of a union and on the flip side for decertification a majority are against the union. In the case of the AFA at Delta the FAs rejected the AFA with both types of votes and Washington still can't accept that. Just another example of Dems not playing fair when they don't get their way.