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-- In freemesaairlinesforum@y..., "Ornstein, Jonathan"
<jonathan.ornstein@m...> wrote:
> Our turnover rate is not even close to being at "an all time
high." It is
> close to zero among pilots. Our FAs just overwhelmingly approved a
new
> contract. Employment is very stable in the out stations and in
maintenance.
> We have some issues in the hubs as do all carriers - Southwest's
turnover in
> LA is 100% for example. I am sorry to hear how bad morale is -
especially
> given that at most airlines 20% of the workforce would be sitting
at home.
> But I guess folks don't give us much credit for that. And
interesdtingly we
> currently have over 150 USAIRWAYS mainline pilots applying to
Freedom.
 
as a fellow mesa pilot i feel your pain. All the MEC wants is one contract and one piot group. that is it. Freedom isnt the issue. The fact that they are filling these 70-seaters out of seniority and filling new hire classes while our CCAIR brothers work at home depot is the problem. WHat a ba$tard that JO is.
 
r8 said.
I support all the USAirways pilots looking for a job. They have families to take care of too.

Its only hurting Mesa Air Group pilots, they {USAirways pilots} should not be in good standing with ALPA in this cause. Oh I get it its there way of getting J4Js. LOL
 
"Its only hurting Mesa Air Group pilots, they {USAirways pilots}..."

Yes, I'm sure that each month when their mortgage comes do, each and every single one of the 1000+ USAirways pilots FIRST thought is, "how will I pay my mortgage? I will do it by hurting Mesa Pilots."

"...should not be in good standing with ALPA in this cause."

They have not crossed a picket line. They are working for a start-up. When FloridaGulf started they were non-union. The rapid expansion of FloridaGulf/Mesa was because they bought half of Allegheny Airlines assests. This caused the Allegheny pilots (ALPA Pilots) to lose their jobs. I don't think Freedom is causing a direct lose of Mesa jobs, just less growth.
 
This was put out by the union, and your telling me there in good standing


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Are you considering applying for a job with Freedom Airlines? If so, think again. ALPA urges all furloughed pilots to consider the facts and their own futures before applying for or accepting a job at Freedom Airlines. Working for Freedom Air is bad for the piloting profession and it’s a gamble for your own career.

Accepting work with Freedom Airlines is detrimental to all Mesa Air Group pilots. ALPA’s position is that Freedom Airlines is an alter-ego, runaway shop carrier created by Mesa Air Group specifically to undermine the collective bargaining strength, working conditions, and career aspirations of Mesa Airlines pilots. Mesa Air Group is using Freedom Air to intimidate and threaten Mesa Airlines pilots with the transfer of work opportunities as a means of dictating pilot pay and working conditions.

BACKGROUND
Under Ornstein’s control, Mesa Air Group operates the three wholly owned subsidiary carriers, Mesa Airlines, Air Midwest, and CCAir. The Mesa and Air Midwest pilots work under a single contract and a single pilot seniority list. In other words, Mesa and Air Midwest are a single pilot group.

Mesa Air Group is attempting to establish Freedom Airlines as a non-union carrier operating 70- and 90-seat jets on a separate operating certificate. At the same time, the Mesa Airlines pilots are in contract negotiations, seeking much-needed improvements in their compensation, retirement, and working conditions. Contract negotiations have been stalled by management are going extremely slowly. In fact, ALPA has filed a lawsuit asking the federal court to compel management to bargain in good faith as outlined by the Railway Labor Act.

When you are considering your next career move, consider the following facts:

· Freedom Airlines is a non-union airline. Freedom pilots will not have the protections and benefits of union representation or a union contract. Freedom pilots would be at-will employees subject to the whims of management’s decisions. Pilots would not have representation in disciplinary actions and would be subject to unilateral changes in their compensation, benefits, and working conditions.

· The status of Freedom Airlines is subject to challenge in litigation brought by ALPA. The Association is alleging that Mesa Air Group’s use of Freedom Airlines to undermine the collective bargaining position of the Mesa pilots is a violation of the Railway Labor Act. In the ongoing lawsuit, ALPA is asking the federal court to enjoin Mesa Air Group from operating Freedom Airlines.

· ALPA will also challenge Mesa Air Group’s ability to manage labor relations at Freedom Airlines separately from those of its other carriers. The National Mediation Board has already upheld the Association’s assertion that Mesa Airlines, Air Midwest, and CCAir are, in fact, a single carrier for collective bargaining purposes. If Freedom Airlines does begin operations, ALPA will seek a similar "single-carrier" ruling from the NMB as it applies to Freedom.
 
vere76 said:
r8 said.
Its only hurting Mesa Air Group pilots, they {USAirways pilots} should not be in good standing with ALPA in this cause. Oh I get it its there way of getting J4Js. LOL

Let's not forget the knife cuts both ways, for years Mesa has benefited at the expense of the wholly owned U regionals. Sure it's our own management's fault, but Mesa pilots have had it pretty good while we watch growth and a future go elsewhere. Mesa pilots can't cry the blues when they get burned and don't get the world handed to them on a plate anymore. Welcome to not having everything you want.
 

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