Curious

[PGIRL]

And as far as the company proposal.... even with the bennies, the pay is STILL too low. FAR too low. So it's a big fat NO!!!


Just curious, you guys are really concerned about your pay and benefits, but have you ever stopped to think about anyone else in the company besides yourselves? I'm looking for an honest answer, not trying to start something.
Some people in the Casino make considerably less than all of you and you don't see them staging a revolt to bring down the company just because of pay and benefits. I'm not saying every single person, but you have some really skilled people here and it's shamful what they are paid. Yes, everybody knows that you all are underpaid and overworked, but have you ever considered that the rest of them are as well? That is why people from the Casino have gotten mad enough to start posting here. It's quite upsetting to them, and they would like to take your side, believe me, but quite frankly you guys have done a really good job of alienating the majority of the flight center by some of your actions. I saw a post recently where one pilot complained that he had to do it all, owner services, travel, etc. Well you know what? Do you have any kind of understanding how undermanned each department is or how high turnover is?
No one can keep up. It seems like the amount of flights have trippled and the amount of people in each department has decreased at the same rate or stayed the same. It's a do more with less kind of atmosphere. Most people try really hard, but it's increasingly difficult to keep up. Yes it's frustrating and everyone fully understands that, but some of your attitudes towards people on the other end of the phone line are something no employee should have to put up with. So before you hurl accusations and make presumptions based on your experiences and the owners, consider what is happening to people in the flight center as well and not just to yourselves. And try to show some common courtesy, huh? Everybody's in the same boat, but not everybody has a union to back them up, ok.

 

[Jim]

PMS ?????

 

[PGIRL]

PMS ?????

What a way to treat a fellow veteran, thanks man!

 

[Diesel]

PGirl- How about you become a pilot and then tell us what you think.

We are not in the same boat. We are pilots who run this company. I don't care how many years you have upstairs. Myself and my other pilots are the one's who are on the road day in and day out.

If people make less than us in the casino then that's too bad. It's Netjets Aviation not Netjets Casino. We fly the planes. Accept the fact. We all know who the people are on here that post but because i respect those in the ultra fleet i won't post it here.

Move on and don't try to push us because I will post your name and 4 digit extension number on this website.

 

[Sun Tzu]

PGirl, the majority of the pilots appreciate the casino folks and have no problem with them. This is not a fight with the non-bargaining employees. You say you are understaffed and overworked? Who's fault is that, the pilots or management. You say you are underpaid, who's fault is that, the pilots or management?

I know for a fact that owner services people start at 27k give or take some change. 2 weeks of training and some OJT is all it takes to get the position started. I'm sure it's a constant learning process until they quit or transfer out with a 50+% turnover rate. I'm sure FM's and DX's are under the same pressure.

Now let's look at a new hire pilots min requirements.

• Airline Transport Pilot Certificate
• Current FAA First Class Medical certificate
• 2500 hours total pilot time
• 500 hours fixed wing multi-engine time
• 250 hours instrument time

2 weeks of indoc, 3 weeks or more of initial type training, ground training, 1st ride, then IOE. Once you complete that you get to spend 200+ nights a year on the road away from your family. Yes, we chose the job and most of us enjoy what we do.

Do you really think you can compare what we do to what the casino staff does. I'm not belittling the job you do, just showing the differences. You will never hear me or most of the other pilots calling the casino staff names or being disrespectful. I have always been polite and friendly on the phone and in person when ever I interact with an FM or DX or ACP/CP.

 

[Some Dude]

Easy fix. If you want a raise then ask for one. If you don't get it then sorry buy that's the way it is. The company wants the best pilots in the world then they should pay us. Also, why are the pilots always rated the highest for customer satisfaction over any other department? I have many friends in the casino and I do feel sorry for them. They work hard and don't get the respect or the pay they deserve. It's the management that stinks. I have been here a long time and I've seen some great people in the casino not get what they deserve. I hope things get better for all of us.

 

[JEEPPLR]

PGirl, the majority of the pilots appreciate the casino folks and have no problem with them. This is not a fight with the non-bargaining employees. You say you are understaffed and overworked? Who's fault is that, the pilots or management. You say you are underpaid, who's fault is that, the pilots or management?

I know for a fact that owner services people start at 27k give or take some change. 2 weeks of training and some OJT is all it takes to get the position started. I'm sure it's a constant learning process until they quit or transfer out with a 50+% turnover rate. I'm sure FM's and DX's are under the same pressure.

Now let's look at a new hire pilots min requirements.

• Airline Transport Pilot Certificate
• Current FAA First Class Medical certificate
• 2500 hours total pilot time
• 500 hours fixed wing multi-engine time
• 250 hours instrument time

2 weeks of indoc, 3 weeks or more of initial type training, ground training, 1st ride, then IOE. Once you complete that you get to spend 200+ nights a year on the road away from your family. Yes, we chose the job and most of us enjoy what we do.

Do you really think you can compare what we do to what the casino staff does. I'm not belittling the job you do, just showing the differences. You will never hear me or most of the other pilots calling the casino staff names or being disrespectful. I have always been polite and friendly on the phone and in person when ever I interact with an FM or DX or ACP/CP.

There are a number of us up here that hold advanced degrees and are pilots as well. I have a 5 year degree in meteorology from OSU, I hold a private pilots license with about 300 hours when I lost my medical and I am a dispatcher. I have been involved in aviation for almost 30 years now. My dad brought home a new airplane in 1976 and I have done aviation stuff ever since. There are several other dispatchers and flight managers that have commercial licenses and some with jet time. It compares for some.

What I would like you to take from this post is no one up here has any control over the out come of the union contract talks. Please stop taking out your frustrations on us. The flight managers are only doing their jobs when they call you, filing a union grievance against them only galvanizes opinion against you up here. Please also remember, it only takes one pilot to be an ass to ruin it for everyone. I know the same works for us up here, I for one treat you with the same respect you give me. No one has any right to belittle others the way some have been doing. Just because we don’t fly the planes does not make us less of a person. The people up here fear for our jobs, how we are going to pay the house payment, how to get health insurance if we are laid off, the same thing you are. Don’t think you are better than we are just because we work in the casino.

 

[PGIRL]

Question for ya Sun Tzu.
I noticed your acft experience on the 135's.
Were you at Grand Forks, MacDill, McConnell, Fairchild, Mildenhall or Kadena?

 

[FamilyGuy]

Move on and don't try to push us because I will post your name and 4 digit extension number on this website.

Real classy threat there Diesel. Is that officially sanctioned by the union?

 

[Diesel]

Nope it's santioned by me. Why should you and she be able to post crap in full anomity.

What goes around comes around.