CRJ AirTran Jet Connect pictures

[Mr.Aviation]

"feed" Its a term thats blurred and almost invisable. What do you call it when I take the Airtran CRJ (aka Air Wiss) from ALT to SAV and back. I never went on "mainline" Airtran so I didn't feed crap, and do you actually think pax are like "i'm going from SAV to ATL on a "feeder flight"". Another example I fly Mr Bussiness guy frm CMH to PIT. My next leg is PIT to BGM and here comes the same Mr. Bussiness guy. Is that feed? What about PAX -a from SCE to PHL to ISP. All allegheny dash 8, where's the feed? I see It almost every day. And do the pax say "i'm on a feeder flt. (yea tell them that and they think their getting a meal), no they say "I'm on a US Air prop flight from SCE to ISP."

No it should not be called feed. It should be called what it is...stolen jobs!!

 

[trainerjet]

LearLove....

Apparently, the AirTran pilot group and their union have no problem with this arrangement, as they see it as a way to maximixe the use of their 717s and whatever larger aircraft come on the property in the next couple of years....instead of dedicating a 717 or DC-9 to a low traffic market such as SAV - ATL or TLH - TPA. If you have a problem with the USAirways/WO situation...fine. It doesn't mean the rest of the world is in the same boat. IOW.....MYOB.

And Mr. Aviation...

You are simply on the IGNORE list. Your posts are nothing but flame bait......always. Go find another sand box in which to play.

 

[KingAirer]

Back to the original post, thank goodness they are taking that thing back to the paint shop. Looks really bad! A agree the green color on the back should start sooner, Maybe a color that isnt so OFFWHITE, thats like OFF OFF WHITE, ALmost brown! yikes!
Congrats on the flying air wis.

 

[LearLove]

Trainerjet,

fine take the 717 off the low pax routes, put on a CRJ , DASH8, 1900 or whatever just make it your own pilots in the cockpit. I mean what do we all want as airline pilots? Seniority (yes I know among hott women and $$$ ect) It means everthing to us. And if you were at Airtran now and they put an RJ on the list it would mean more senority for you. You wouldn't see it unless things got bad (the new hire would have to fly it) so I don't understand why the Airtran guys don't want the flying for themselves.

Put it this way, If Allegheny ( my airline) were the "mainline" and the 37 seat dash was the 747 of the industry and my bosses said Learlove were getting 30 cessna206's(8 seats, the rj of the industry in this example) to expand and feed or dash flying.

Now say I'm a dash capt at 150 out of 400 pilots(before adding the 206). I'd be like sure boss stick them here and hire more pilots. (say thoes 25 206's require 120 new pilots) Now I'm 150 out of 520. And there you have it, more senority, protection, options ect. not only for me but the rest at Allegheny. See what I'm getting at.

Its not a "a problem with the USAirways/WO situation...fine" its basic job protection.

BTW what does "IOW.....MYOB" mean.

 

[CRJ200FO]

BTW what does "IOW.....MYOB" mean.

I believe it is: "In other words, mind your own business."

I'm not sure though.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Back to original topic
First 2 CRJs have wrong paint job...the other 2 are correct.
They will repaint the first two within next 3 month

 

[terryhfly]

Trainerjet,

fine take the 717 off the low pax routes, put on a CRJ , DASH8, 1900 or whatever just make it your own pilots in the cockpit. I mean what do we all want as airline pilots? Seniority (yes I know among hott women and $$$ ect) It means everthing to us. And if you were at Airtran now and they put an RJ on the list it would mean more senority for you. You wouldn't see it unless things got bad (the new hire would have to fly it) so I don't understand why the Airtran guys don't want the flying for themselves.

LearLove,

Does Airtran have RJ's? No. How long do you think it would take for them to get an RJ flight program into place, get the Fed's approval and get pilots trained? I would think awhile. Hey, look there is Air Wisconsin who has an RJ program and has lots of RJ's and is just in my opinion a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** fine airline to fly for, lets see if they want to come in and fly for Airtran while we get more 717's and put them on bigger markets. I am no rocket scientist but what is so hard to understand about that?

Terry
(Just an Air Wiskey RJ pilot looking to take all of Airtrans flying away from them)

 

[LearLove]

"what is so hard to understand about that?"

every Rj that flys in airtran colors does nothing for airtran guys. fine get more 717 at the same time get RJ's too. Hasn't anyone else seen whats gone on in the past decade. I mean some people have the same attitude as U and Delta and others. This "we don't care about the small flying look were getting big jets" attitude is how U and delta and others got in this situation in the first place. Like one Delta guy said when we were talking about this a few weeks ago, an Airtran guy said the same thing the "were getting more 717's and our scope and bla bla bla....then the Delta guy chimed in with a simple statemen, I think it was "yah I can't possibly see what could go wrong". Look it up.

I don't want to get into a fight here but come on its like the same thing all over again, we are making the same mistakes. I'm willing to bet on it. What happens when the majors get back on their feet and take back alittle of what Airtran took from say Delta. Joe Lenord will go to his pilots a say hey these routes don't support a 717 anymore but we can do it with a 50 seater. He further says "guys people still arent flying as much or all the routes that fit our profile are saturated so I have nowhere to put this 717. I can park it for less." Whats going to happen to Airtran boy? You guessed it. Think about it.

Now I'm out of here for a 4 day trip so please bash away, see you all on friday. Again I'm not trying to start a fight just calling as I see it and it seems like we've all seen this before.

Take Care

 

[DCitrus9]

I feel the AirWis RJs are going to help us short term, although I would prefer them flown by AirTran pilots. As terryhfly pointed out, this is the best way for the company to start this program and most importantly- it's their decision. Our current scope allows this and we all know you only get what you negotiate. We could knock on Joe's door all day long with no success.
I do believe the next contract will have to address many issues regarding JetConnect. Hopefully we will find a happy place for everybody eg. we hire new airtran pilots to fly our own rjs, thereby allowing mgmnt to fly the appropriate airplane on each route while increasing my seniority, as well as offering a better job to another pilot.
Learlove: it's forklift joe, not joe forklift. And we're glad to have him. You spout off with a great deal of negativity, yet seem to have a very loose grip on the facts.

 

[Jetsnake]

I feel the AirWis RJs are going to help us short term, although I would prefer them flown by AirTran pilots. As terryhfly pointed out, this is the best way for the company to start this program and most importantly- it's their decision.
Learlove: You spout off with a great deal of negativity, yet seem to have a very loose grip on the facts.

First off,
Learlove is an idiot, he always will be because it doesn't
know the fact's. He's a Carrot waxer in the closet and knows
it.
Second,
It post's a picture of a Dash-8, but it doesn't claim his fame.
It's a Pud Knocker. Joe Dirt type of guy. Eat's off crap that
fell from the sky, and thinks it knows what it's talking about.

Air Wisconsin Airlines is a privately held company.
I hope the owners make a killing at what there doing.
Even if it were publically traded. There making money,
and they have some of the best people working for them.

Learloveless should do a little reseach in what he think's he
knows and what is really going on.

Another PUD KNOCKER on the board.


Jetsnake

 

[AAsRedHeadedbro]

Jetsnake,

Are you an Air Wisconsin pilot, by chance?

What I interpret after reading the entire string one post after another is that he is basically warning the AirTran folks that their little "feed" operation could eventually come back to bite them in the rear end. Someone makes the point that AirTran could not have started an RJ operation quickly enough. That may be true. However, is AirTran making any effort to operate its own smaller jets in the future? Possibly, although I doubt it.

LearLove started his comments on this string by saying that "I can't believe you AirTran guys aren't beating down Joe's door to get this flying and RJ's on your list." This sounds like a valid statement to me. If I were an AirTran pilot, I would be more than a little worried about the long term consequences resulting from more than one pilot group "working" for AirTran flying aircraft having similar capabilities, other than payload.

I am no mainline pilot with an ax to grind concerning RJ feed. In fact, I happen to be an eleven-year "regional" pilot myself, flying RJ's for a living. I just happen to know quite a few mainline pilots who've been at AA long enough to remember a time when ALL flying done on behalf of their company was done by pilots on their seniority list. No exceptions. Then, in 1986 or 1987 I believe, they signed a "commuter exception" allowing American Eagle to be created which later proved to be the beginning of the company's systematic destruction of the mainline pilot's scope clause. Over the years, more and more flying that used to be mainline has been transferred to American Eagle (my airline) and American Connection. We are now flying many of the routes which AA used to fly with their F-100's and MD-80's. When the guys who were around back in the 80's look at what we have become, they tell me they wish they could take it all back. They wish that they had never allowed the commuter exception in the first place. I happen to be one of the pilots who has benefited from their decision to allow an exception to their scope clause but I can still see their point.

The pilots working for UAL, DAL, CAL and NWA also have similar feelings. They all feel as if they let the proverbial genie out of the bottle.

All of that said, however, I disagree with most of what LearLove posts on this forum. Most of his ideas are a bit radical for me.

 

[lear24]

Jetsnake-
You really shouldn't put someone down just because he flies a Dash 8. Yes, we're commuter trash, thank you for grinding our nose in that stain we make on the carpet of the industry. I hope it makes you feel very superior.

I think what Learlove is trying to say is the way things are going, a pilot group like AirTran's might be smart to insist that they fly the RJs themselves. All of the feed would be theirs, all of the profit would be theirs, and there would be even more jobs at "mainline" AirTran. So what if it is an RJ instead of a 717, why not place it at the main carrier instead of a subcontractor? It is sort of similar to the US Air situation, in that U Group decided a while ago to send the RJ flying out of house, instead of keeping it in house and reaping more profit. Also, back in the early spring U asked the mainline pilots to fly RJs on the mainline property, but they insisted they wanted DC-9 pay for it. (That obviously doesn't make an RJ competitive). Low and behold, they are now trying to get that RJ flying at MidAtlantic, now that they are laid off, the little RJ and lower pay sounds pretty darned good. Why didn't they just accept RJs on the property in the first place? Who knows.

At any rate, good for Air Wisconsin, this should help them become an even better airline. I am happy to see them doing well.