Crew Bags on CRJ200

[BenderGonzales]

Leave it to USAir to do yet something else to piss off the paying passengers. Now the folks back in 10 and 11 don't even have access to their overheads.

 

[embryflyboy]

Every one is yelling fuel cost. what would happen if we were to say until you fix this stupid stuff (pay, bags, and jerking us around) we start burning fuel like it is going out of style. I know that 310 vs 290 results in about 600lbs/hr for a min or two savings in time, if they continue to say pay cut, qol cut and we just say ok. well lets say ok you cut my pay by 2 bucks I’ll raise your operating cost by 200 to 300 per hour we all complain about our wages but what if we got the point to there is now way that they can save enough in our salary to make up for the fuel we can burn (fill in blanks in where you can raise cost with out messing up pax.) this way we don’t have to wait for alpa to grow thee gonads to strike.

 

[BenderGonzales]

...and then the Embry Rediculous graduate (who obviously skipped his economics class) proposed a plan to kill the goose that laid the golden eggs.

Wow.

 

[scarlet]

The FAA really cares where we put our bags!!! But ASA thinks we are that dumb, and we don't know anyone from the FAA....we know other people in the industry dumbas@@@!!!!

They tell us the FAA came to ASA saying your bags are not in the right place--GIVe ME a BREAK!!!!

 

[OCP]

Ok ASA guys/gals. I HATE this "bag program" too. This is one of the most stupid things to come around. We can't have our overnight bags in a place where they won't get taken, things stolen out of them, damaged, lost, etc? Who do we talk too about this? Where is the union?
With what seems like EVERY other crj operator out there putting bags in thier overheads, maybe its ok on our airplanes too. Being violated because you don't want your stuff ruined or misplaced is unreal.
Think of this. They say that the weight of the bags is included in the airplanes with the modified doors. So by that saying the bags should be fine in the overhead.
Also in line with this... Why didn't they just include the weights in the BOW for all the airlplanes like they have forever in the past?
What can we do beside b!tch about it?

 

[blueridge71]

Hows that going to stop them from being damaged?? i.e. at the bottom of the pile?

Well, obviously you don't want to put your laptop there, but I've used my current bag for several years and have put it in the cargo bay for most of that time where it has mostly been on the bottom. It only has some minor cosmetic damage.

And I don't have a top of the line $300 bag either. I got this bag from ebags.com. I paid $80 for it three years ago with the ALPA discount, and I've been pretty happy with it. In fact, I think that it is better than most of the expensive bags that I've seen.

http://www.ebags.com/ebags/professional_22_upright/product_detail/index.cfm?ModelID=8889

I have heard of passengers finding crew bags in the cabin and going through the contents or simply stealing them. I prefer to keep my bag in the baggage compartment. Admittedly, it did get left in MEM once when the rampers ignored the crew tags and unloaded it, but that is once in almost four years. Even then, they forwarded it and I had it by the end of the day. Of course, that is why now I always check to make sure it is still there.

 

[bailout]

>but that is once in almost four years. <<

You have been VERY lucky. Its happened to somebody in my crew at least 6-7 times this year alone.

 

[rgd]

I am in RGT right now, and today we talked about this. You will get violated by the FAA if they catch your bag in the 50 seater that does not have the modified door. It is because of our new bag weight (valet and checked) rules. The reason we were told was because the bag in the overhead bin is not included in the BOW of the aircraft. If you are on the 40 seater or the 50 with the mod closet door you can put your bag in the closet, if not you can get busted by our overzealous FAA friends. This was straight from two different IP's at recurrent. One IP even reported that the FAA is watching for us to pull our bags off the plane, then see if we secure the door before we leave to bust us on two things instead of just one. They also said be looking for a mandatory read on FLICA and an alert in the near future about it. Take it for what it's worth.

 

[bailout]

Someone mentioned one way around this.. If youre bag is small enough it can be in the overheads as a 'personal item'. Thats the FAA itselfs rule!

or what about adding the bag to the weight in the load manifest? That should work also, because then its counted!

 

[spike]

Have it your way

company policy: outside
my policy: always inside no matter what.

It is always easier to deal with saying sorry, than chasing a bag you'll never find again. if my bag disappears, i'm going home sick.

 

[letthebigdogeat]

What are they gonna do, fire me???? Go ahead!

Write me up, fine me, do what you want. I have too many other fukin things to worry about than where I'm going to put my bag. And it's definitely NOT going back with the cargo. I learned that lesson a long time ago. And what the heLL is up with the lines next month. Take a deep breath, breathe.....breathe........

 

[av8er2]

Duhhh!

Doesn't the FAA have anything better to do, like working on our old rest rules and some the long exhausting unsafe days we work.

Hey how about working on the mgt. that is making the whole pilot group so mad. Being upset with mgt all the time is affecting safety because all the of BS the pilots have to think about and it makes it hard to focus on our jobs.

How can you expect a unhappy pilot to be a 100% safe pilot.

It is amazing some of the things they focus on.

Did they not look a the weight and balance wheel, we can add the bag weights in the section the bags are in!!!!!!!!!!!

How hard would this be to solve the problem.

Done everyone gets what they want.

 

[atrdriver]

company policy: outside
my policy: always inside no matter what.

It is always easier to deal with saying sorry, than chasing a bag you'll never find again. if my bag disappears, i'm going home sick.

Maybe so, but I'm not willing to get violated for where my bag is. I have a lot more things to worry about. I will put mine in the back on the a/c without the modified closets, and just check every leg that it gets put back in the cargo compartment.

And yes, I think that the feds SHOULD have better things to do than try to violate us for little unimportant things like this, but apparantly our new fed doesn't agree. Until he makes enough people mad and gets kicked out of his current post, he is the one we have to deal with. He's the classic fed on a power trip trying to rip pilots.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Exactly what would the 'violation' say?

 

[Phony Marconi]

It happened about a year ago.

Pouring rain, the rampers in ATL left my bag sitting out, marinating in the yellow bag full of water. I was unaware.

Arrive at the overnight with a water-logged bag....must've weighed 60 pounds, I couldn't even hitch my flight kit on....wheels wouldn't turn under the weight.

Spent my 12 hr layover drying/cleaning my clothes. My shirt smelled like toothpaste the next day, and my sneakers reeked like the Atlanta zoo.

Like an asswhole, I wasted my entire layover fixing what management neglected.....just like we pilots always do.

What do we do when this happens again?

 

[Puck Mugger]

Actually, this is just another example of an ASA pilot making idiotic accusations.

This from a guy with Captain Stabbin as his avatar.

 

[atrdriver]

Exactly what would the 'violation' say?

"Failure to comply with FAA approved company policy", which is just as regulatory as the FAR's. Or something to that effect.

 

[wms]

The feds in ATL...

 

[AchilleLauro]

This from a guy with Captain Stabbin as his avatar.

Meow! What a bunch of pus$ies! You guys should hear yourselves! It's like I work with a bunch of f@gs! No wonder mgmt works us over so hard, they get such good results from all the conspiracy theorists (mgmt must be getting the FAA to enforce the bag rule, the FAA should be on our side blah blah blah). Grow some fellas! Quit making the rest of us look like idiots.

 

[av8er2]

Why make our job harder???

 

[RegionalERPuke]

Get off it the riddle rat is correct.

...and then the Embry Rediculous graduate (who obviously skipped his economics class) proposed a plan to kill the goose that laid the golden eggs.

Wow.

 

[7KCAB]

This kills me - possible FAA violations over crew bags in the overhead because they are included in the BOW when there are absolutely no provisions for the 300 pound captain/FO who is obviously WAY over the allowance for crew weight in the BOW.
Gotta love it.

 

[sweptback]

This kills me - possible FAA violations over crew bags in the overhead because they are included in the BOW when there are absolutely no provisions for the 300 pound captain/FO who is obviously WAY over the allowance for crew weight in the BOW.
Gotta love it.

That's the problem though, at ASA the geniuses who redid the W&B program took the crew bag weight out of the BOW. They claimed that it allowed the passenger weights to decrease, although the crew weights went up by 10 lbs. So it's probably the 300 lb pilot who's throwing the wrench into everything.

 

[Gobi Gred]

This issue came up at my airline as well. We were given the impression that our bags had to go in back. There was no way I was going to put my bag in back and have it destroyed or lost. I concluded that since a passenger is allowed a carry on in the cabin that weighs zero, I could substitute my bag for one of theirs that is left at the cart to placed in back. The weight would be the same if the situation was reversed. (the pax bag in the overhead and mine in the back and counted as 30 lbs.) Since there are almost always at least 3 pax carry ons that go in back, all three crewmembers can stow their bags in the cabin. Later this was approved by our company. I haven't heard of anyone at our company having any problems with the Feds doing this.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

AHHH Yes, Grasshoppa, but this is ASA, Atlantic Satanic Airlines.

 

["GO AROUND"]

It's ASA, Another Skywest Airline.

His name is Kosta and he has ruined two IP's careers already for no reason.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but there is nothing in the SP's that says your bag has to go in the cargo. The SP that refers to ac loading just says that it's not included in the BOW any more. So add it in yourself and spin it in the W&B. You can't get around company policy about the overhead bins but heard a CP say that there is nothing wrong with keeping it in the Cockpit say behind your seat.

 

[Lolikoka]

Lost 4 months

One day the plane was full, so I decided to make room for the passengers and put my bag in the cargo compartment. I didn't see it again until 4 months later. I called the station in Augusta where it disappeared, but they wouldn't even return my call. I submitted a RIF seeking the company's help in locating my bag, but they ignored my request for a response. 4 months later my bag turned up in Atlanta. I'm no brain surgeon, but I learned my lesson, and my bag stays with me now.

 

[NoPlaneNoGain]

I don't have the SP's with me now so I do not remember the section (maybe SP400), but I looked it up the other day and it does say that "Crew bags must go in the cargo."

Oh, and for those who cannot find the yellow bags in the back to put your bag in, it is because ASA cancelled the yellow bag program some time ago. A$$holes!

I agree with everyone else, something has to be done to protect are bags and underwear from being damaged or lost.

 

[atrdriver]

It's ASA, Another Skywest Airline.

His name is Kosta and he has ruined two IP's careers already for no reason.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but there is nothing in the SP's that says your bag has to go in the cargo. The SP that refers to ac loading just says that it's not included in the BOW any more. So add it in yourself and spin it in the W&B. You can't get around company policy about the overhead bins but heard a CP say that there is nothing wrong with keeping it in the Cockpit say behind your seat.

It's not in the SP's, it's in section 2 of the FA manual.

 

["GO AROUND"]

Just paint your bag yellow and write, "This is a Crew Bag DumbA$$!" on it. That should solve the problem.

I'm gonna have to go with behind my seat in the Cockpit.