Crash Peter O Knight breaking news?

[wrxpilot]

Everyone's a racist. They just won't admit it. Races didn't advance themselves by being unbiased and politically correct. If you're white, you better hope everything else doesn't make it.

Thanks for the philosophy class professor. Maybe you're a racist. I'm not. I will judge somebody based on how they look and act, but not their skin.

Espalda Mojado is a special kind of troll. A real flame baiter that has taken in quite a few people. Impressive, considering how often flame baiters come here.

EM is a mentally disturbed redneck. He makes bizarre comments in an effort to show his support for his fellow Mexicans, and the wording is obviously formulated to enrage anyone who is not an illegal immigrant.

In other words, to promote his sick hatred of Mexicans, this mental defective racist baits the users here into thinking he is actually of Mexican heritage while making strange rants about illegals.

I find it amazing that somebody is that sick that they would go to so much trouble to deceive people to make them hate another race.

This person is probably not even a pilot. Probably some kind of sim freak or something. Would another pilot (particularly a professional) say something so callous about another pilot is currently in the morgue with a greaving family? They haven't even hauled away the twisted wreckage yet!!

 

[handlesaregay]

Another thread where only 2% of the post actually have anything useful to say. Everytime I read through one of these garbage threads I'm reminded why I don't come here very often.

 

[habubuaza]

Another thread where only 2% of the post actually have anything useful to say. Everytime I read through one of these garbage threads I'm reminded why I don't come here very often.

I agree, I almost never come to flightinfo anymore because it has gotten so filled with hate and commentary that lacks any civility. It's a shame because this chat room used to be very nice and was somewhat therapeutic for me especially after 9/11. It is unfortunate.

 

[wolf]

EsBaldo, you are a useless poser flamebaiter, you need to go away. You are not wanted here, and you're putrifying this forum.

Maybe we should take a collective vote to out this guy, or start a poll whether he should be banned or not, I'll wager he'd loose.

 

[paulsalem]

The accident occurred just before 1:00 pm EDT Monday

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MCF is 5NM SW


[/FONT][FONT=Monospace,Courier]KMCF 121755Z 10010KT 3SM RA BR SCT002 OVC015 23/23 A2992 RMK SLP134 60131 58010 WR//

[/FONT][FONT=Monospace,Courier]KMCF 121740Z 08012KT 3SM RA BR BKN002 OVC015 23/23 A2992 RMK WR//

TPA is 5NM NW

[/FONT][FONT=Monospace,Courier]KTPA 121753Z 09006KT 1SM R36L/4500VP6000FT RA BR FEW018 BKN027CB OVC060 23/22 A2994 RMK AO2 SLP138 CB SE SW MOV NE TCU ALQDS P0032 60171 T02280217 10228 20222 58007

[/FONT][FONT=Monospace,Courier]KTPA 121723Z 07006KT 2 1/2SM -RA BR FEW018 BKN027TCU OVC060 23/22 A2993 RMK AO2 TCU ALQDS P0014[/FONT]

 

[falconvalley]

I don't think he's flame baiting. He's just pointing out that he can tell, just by looking at pictures, that it's pilot-error. Some people actually believe that they can tell.

And as of yesterday, Alberto wasn't a hurricane, nor were the winds pilot-error inducing.

 

[paulsalem]

One report I saw said they had an engine shut down, and they diverted to this airport. Overshot the runway upon landing. The longest runway is 3,500 feet.

 

[redd]

I vote banned

:uzi: Espaldo

Go off and vomit all over yourself, you are pathetic.

 

[Rally]

I've now heard, engine shut down, one gear not extended all the way and they were landing on 35 which is only like 2500 ft long.

 

[Espalda Mojado]

That is too bad. I wonder why they made the decision to land on such a short runway?

 

[Rally]

Well I have flown very few t-props.

Kingairers? Is there a problem that if you lose a series of buses that you realy on gravity to get fuel to the engines Is'nt the KingAir also have a electric gear? This might explain one engine being inop as fuel stravation (not that they ran out, they just could'nt get it to the engines) almost always hits one engine before the other. (ie one engine failed, soon to be another depending on the level in the tanks left vs right) That would explain the hurried approach, high and as they were to the east they would pick the closest runway which was also the shortest.

Not second guessing, if I think what happened happened I think they did a pretty good job.


Never second guess, I've been in those situations and you never know how you will react, its not fair.

 

[Espalda Mojado]

That's right, we can only look at what happened and try to learn from it.

 

[paulsalem]

Update

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica][FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Laura Brown, a spokeswoman for the Federal Aviation Administration, said as the plane neared Tampa on its return to Sarasota, the pilot reported a fuel problem.

[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica][FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Witnesses said one part of the plane's retractable landing gear did not go down and one engine wasn't running, Wade said.

http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060614/LOCAL/206140331/1078/rss&template=printart
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[Espalda Mojado]

There's never a good excuse for running out of fuel. What a shame.

 

[paulsalem]

...If they ran out of fuel I agree.

But lets not jump to conclusions.

 

[wrxpilot]

There's never a good excuse for running out of fuel. What a shame.

I've gotta hand it to you, you really are a Master Baiter.

 

[Rally]

Fuel problem:
Running the tanks dry
Fuel pump failure
Fuel Mismanagement
Fuel contamination
Electric failure leading to fuel pump failure on that bus.

Running out of fuel and a fuel problem are TWO different things.

Like I said above if any of you KingAir experts know about the Jet pumps/electric pumps on this aircraft?

From my Metro class (company went out of biz before my checkride) I remember something about the possiblity of a dual bus failure or some massive electric failure that would cause the fuel pumps to go out on each engine. The fuel would feed until it got below a certain amount and then because of the way the tanks were designed would not feed anymore and you would have a engine failure, and depending on the fuel balance one at a time with the other a few mins later or secs later. Could this be why it appears they were in a hurry to get it on the ground?

 

[Publishers]

A friend at POK said it was an attempted go around and it was possible it hit the ground prior to crashing off airport. This is not necessarily inconsistant with other reports.
The judgement thing is why you are going into Peter OKnight if you have any problem when a great deal more assets are at airports close by.

 

[Rally]

Disclaimer: Not having been in the cockpit.

There was probably something that was causing them to want to get the ship on the ground before something worse happened. Like the next engine quit.

 

[VW Pilot]

According to the news channel 8, the aircraft exploded in mid air just after take off due to a fuel leak. They were saying is was a C172 but I have heard it was something slightly larger...