Crash at ASE...

[semperfido]

$15 per year. Stick it in your A$$!

yeah, that is soooo much money

 

[illeagle]

Yes, you can.

i stand corrected.

good thread over there. a lot to learn and read

thanks

 

[LJ45]

Since I'm not ready to sign up on another site, too many already, can you share the most important information you found in that thread?

Thanks :beer:

 

[flyer49er]

Since I'm not ready to sign up on another site, too many already, can you share the most important information you found in that thread?

Thanks :beer:

That would go against that site's copyright rules. This site has the same type of rules.

 

[LJ45]

That would go against that site's copyright rules. This site has the same type of rules.

I didn't say copy, you can use your own words and give us a summary or are you just trying to get people to sign up to your site for $$$ ?

 

[SansPlane]

I didn't say copy, you can use your own words and give us a summary or are you just trying to get people to sign up to your site for $$$ ?

Pretty much what LJ said in this and his previous post.

 

[flyer49er]

I didn't say copy, you can use your own words and give us a summary or are you just trying to get people to sign up to your site for $$$ ?

It isn't my site, I'm just a member there.

If you are so curious what is there why don't you go see for yourself? Or will $15 a year break you?

There is a ton of info over there on this crash (650+ posts) far more than the 37 here, thought some people here might be interested in learning more, sorry if I offended by bringing it up, go back to arguing among yourselves.

 

[SansPlane]

650+ posts

I think you missed our point and pointed it out at the same time. It's not about the $, that fine site Pr* Pilot World and nothing personal against flyer49er. I don't have the time to read thru 650 posts every time something like this happens and frankly the 30+ posts here are 20 more that I wanted to read in the 1st place - but that is me.

And note to this sites moderators - really? 3 letters P P W put together gets us this: ***************? You don't think almost everyone knows about that site?

 

[flyer49er]

I think you missed our point and pointed it out at the same time. It's not about the $, that fine site Pr* Pilot World and nothing personal against flyer49er. I don't have the time to read thru 650 posts every time something like this happens and frankly the 30+ posts here are 20 more that I wanted to read in the 1st place - but that is me.

And note to this sites moderators - really? 3 letters P P W put together gets us this: ***************? You don't think almost everyone knows about that site?

Well, you only have limited time to dedicate to your profession and career (understandable), but you choose to spend that limited time here??? :erm:

If you are going to invest, invest wisely. Might as well at least keep up to date on current events.

I learned a LOT reading the thoughts of hundreds of different perspectives in that thread. As a professional pilot, I feel I am always learning, or at least should be.

 

[SansPlane]

Well, you only have limited time to dedicate to your profession and career (understandable), but you choose to spend that limited time here??? :erm:

If you are going to invest, invest wisely. Might as well at least keep up to date on current events.

I learned a LOT reading the thoughts of hundreds of different perspectives in that thread. As a professional pilot, I feel I am always learning, or at least should be.

First of all, you are here - but why? You have 8 posts since 6/2/2006 (curious) and they all seem to be related to P P W (moderators... :smash so LJ hit the nail on the head - you are schilling for the other site. Pretty pathetic - more pathetic than moderating P P W on this site. If the moderators of this site had "any" they would call you out. Should I ever join/be accepted to that other site, at least I know you will be there...

 

[Fly91]

Another wonderful decision by a pilot.......just great.....

I guess we'll always have pilots that will just never learn.....part of the industry it seems.

Another case of a stupid Captain killing people.......he was trying to land with a 30 kt tailwind, he tells the tower that. That's willfully and knowingly doing something with that plane that can cause a crash and its against the manufacturers limitations. The Captain should be charged with Manslaughter.....for sure. If he survives......

 

[Shag McNasty]

Another wonderful decision by a pilot.......just great.....

I guess we'll always have pilots that will just never learn.....part of the industry it seems.

Another case of a stupid Captain killing people.......he was trying to land with a 30 kt tailwind, he tells the tower that. That's willfully and knowingly doing something with that plane that can cause a crash and its against the manufacturers limitations. The Captain should be charged with Manslaughter.....for sure. If he survives......

Calm down drama queen. The copilot was killed, he was a willing participant. Hardly manslaughter.

 

[LJ45]

Calm down drama queen. The copilot was killed, he was a willing participant. Hardly manslaughter.

I agree, you can't sit there and watch yourself get killed. very sad day, and not the first time or last time this will happen, sadly.

 

[Fly91]

Calm down drama queen. The copilot was killed, he was a willing participant. Hardly manslaughter.

Now you should know that just isn't how it works out there.....copilots, most of them anyway, just sit and do whatever it is the moron captain does.

It certainly can be manslaughter, and should be. Anytime a person does something that can potentially KILL another human being, even if its not on purpose, it's called Manslaughter.

"The leading cause of death of copilots......is captains."

 

[Fly91]

I agree, you can't sit there and watch yourself get killed. very sad day, and not the first time or last time this will happen, sadly.

Uh, yea, that's exactly what copilots do all the time. They just sit there and watch their lives end....... It's the way it is. Now maybe you weren't like that and that guy wasn't like that....but 99.99% of them are like that. It's the way it is........!!!!

I have told captains to suck my "beep" when they wouldn't put enough fuel on to make me comfortable. Literally laugh at tyem in the lobby of the FBO when they tell me we're going and thats that.....yeah, whatever fat man.

I've called the tower and said "Nxxxx going missed approach we have full scale deflection" when dumb moron stupid captains would be chasing needles at 800 feet on an ILS in bad weather. I've called Minimum Fuel on Lear 25's when the moron captains wanted to get back in line #10 for another approach in a Lear 25 with 800 pounds of fuel remaining after going Missed Approach in bad weather.

As far as I'm concerned, in many cases, before the flight departs and while the plane is in the air.....the copilot is the final authority, especially when it's a moron captain sitting in the left seat trying to kill you making stupid decisions. I didn't make a lot of captains happy sometimes, but screw them, I'm still alive.

Copilots need to speak up more and literally tell the captain he can suck it.......get on the radio and call missed approach, that will force the morons to actually go missed. Coming down final tell the tower there's a 30 it tailwind and we can't land in that, the captain would then have to go missed. Don't just sit there and fly into wind shear, tail winds, gusts and low visibility....IN FREAKIN ASPEN......

Copilots need to take control more often, that's EXACTLY why they are there. Ay time I talk to a new copilot I tell him exactly how you keep from letting a moron captain kill you. And DO NOT leave on the flight if anything is out of your comfort zone, because they are truly the final authority. If they say the plane doesn't fly, it doesn't fly. No while its flying there's many things they can say to force a moron captain from continuing to do something dangerous.

-----and. I don't need anyone to post how..."But they will lose their job if they do that." Uh, well.......this copilot is going into the ground now because he didn't speak up. And if he was all for trying to land in that weather in Aspen, that makes two fools.

Ah, whatever.......like you said, its not gonna be the last. And WHY.....because copilots won't speak up. So whatever.....