CPL above 12,500lbs

[turbosheep]

Hello,

Appreciate any help on the question below:

Can a CPL holder be PIC in a multi-engined jet aircraft with a MTOW above 12,500lbs?

The aircraft is to be operated under FAR91 ruling (non-fractional).

If able/unable, where can I find the reference?

Thank you.

 

[USMCmech]

I will have to double check, but I can't think of any FAR that requires a CPL in order to earn a type rating (PIC over 12,500lbs or any jet).

An instrument rating is not required either, the type rating will be only for VFR flight (which is pretty useless, but it is there).

 

[Lead Sled]

Hello,

Appreciate any help on the question below:

Can a CPL holder be PIC in a multi-engined jet aircraft with a MTOW above 12,500lbs?

The aircraft is to be operated under FAR91 ruling (non-fractional).

If able/unable, where can I find the reference?

Thank you.

You can get a type rating on a PPL, you don't even need to have a CPL. It's actually not all that uncommon - you just have to have the $$$. Back when I was flying a Lear there was a guy come through for a VFR Lear type on a Private certificate - now what's the point with that???

'Sled

 

[Flying Illini]

My DA-10 type is on a Comm. certificate, no problems.

 

[Guitar Guy]

I'm not certain if I understand your question, but if you are asking can a pilot with a commercial pilot license (CPL) be PIC on a large aircraft, i.e. MTOW over 12,500 lbs., then the answer is "yes" if he/she holds the appropriate type rating for the aircraft to be operated. Without the required type rating, one cannot log PIC.

This is addressed in 61.31, "Type rating requirements, additional training, and authorization requirements": http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=c0349368d54bfbbeb5af8a9f65f1bdb0&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.2.1.1.20&idno=14

 

[turbosheep]

Thank you everyone.

What I meant was, is holding a CPL good enough to operate a multi-engine jet above 12,500lbs as PIC?

If not, does the person need to hold an ATPL?

Else a PPL holder can be PIC on a 747, provided the flight is not flown for compensation or hire and that he/she has a type rating.

 

[Guitar Guy]

What I meant was, is holding a CPL good enough to operate a multi-engine jet above 12,500lbs as PIC?

Yes, if that same person has the appropriate type rating.

 

[mattpilot]

you only need an ATP cert once you get into Part 121 flying as a captain.

You only need a CPL if you are doing commercial flying that is not requiring an ATP cert.

Everything else can be done on a PPL.

 

[minitour]

you only need an ATP cert once you get into Part 121 flying as a captain...

...and certain 135 gigs...(135.4a2iiA)

-mini

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

you only need an ATP cert once you get into Part 121 flying as a captain.

You only need a CPL if you are doing commercial flying that is not requiring an ATP cert.

Everything else can be done on a PPL.

As mini said, part 135 turbojet(passengers) requires an ATP.

 

[aeronautic1]

However

the type ride is the same as an ATP checkride. Why would you want to stay at the CPL level when you can sign off your ATP at the same time. Unless you are low time or just lazy.

 

[igneousy2]

the type ride is the same as an ATP checkride. Why would you want to stay at the CPL level when you can sign off your ATP at the same time. Unless you are low time or just lazy.

Not old enough?
Not experienced enough?
Not enough moral character?

later

 

[Stryker]

The problem you will run into is that no one will insure you with out your ATP, and if they do you will pay through the nose

 

[Lead Sled]

The problem you will run into is that no one will insure you with out your ATP, and if they do you will pay through the nose

Even more than that, you simply need the ATP to be competitive. All else being equal, if you have two otherwise competitive candidates for a given position, who are you going to hire - the one with a CPL or the one with an ATP?

'Sled

 

[Flying Illini]

the type ride is the same as an ATP checkride. Why would you want to stay at the CPL level when you can sign off your ATP at the same time. Unless you are low time or just lazy.

I'm just low time....with a dash of laziness.

 

[turbosheep]

Not old enough?
Not experienced enough?
Not enough moral character?

later

Igneousy2,
Mostly not enough moral character........

But seriously, he is not 23 year-old yet.

I have also read that to operate under FAR91 subpart K, a PIC needs ATP.

Am I right to say that if we were to take the aircraft across the pond to England, he would not be able to fly as PIC?

I vaguely remember that the UKCAA has a PIC requirement of ATP for aircraft above 12,500lbs.

 

[nosehair]

I have also read that to operate under FAR91 subpart K, a PIC needs ATP.

Hmmm....yep, yer right, there it is right there, 91.1053(a)(2)(i).
Subpart K, that's Fractional Owernership - never looked at it before. It's another kind of control of quasi-commercial operations, not regular part 91.

So, if it is a fractional owned airplane over 12,500, yep ya gotta have it, but if it's a regular registered airplane, I think the JAA requirement is for a JAA licensed pilot, but not a U.S.licensed pilot under regular part 61 and 91.

 

[philo beddoe]

To the best of my recollection:



Part 91: Private or Commercial (depending on operation) for anything regardless of size or type of engine. Unless you are talking Subpart K, which I know nothing about.

Part 135 PIC:

ANY Jet pax-carrying operations (under or over 12,500#) requires ATP
Any Prop over 12,500# requires ATP for pax-carrying operations

Jet or prop cargo-only - Commercial

Prop meaning turbine or recip.


Part 121 PIC:

ATP for anything regardless of engine type or size.

 

[mattpilot]

Subpart K is new... no older than 2003. I guess the fractional ownerships got out of hand

 

[FN FAL]

Thank you everyone.

What I meant was, is holding a CPL good enough to operate a multi-engine jet above 12,500lbs as PIC?

If not, does the person need to hold an ATPL?

Else a PPL holder can be PIC on a 747, provided the flight is not flown for compensation or hire and that he/she has a type rating.

Who the hell is Else, your wife or your husband? And if he/she is neither, but both, I'd be suspecting he/she's medical, more than he/she's ability to PPL PIC on a 747.