Court Ruling

[doh]

Management's lawyer said no one would lose pay or anything else they currently have. And not one single proposal from the union would cost anyone pay. So unless management is lying, no one is getting rolled into the old payscales.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Someone just posted to Yammer worried about this very thing. They're also concerned that if you're not a MIGs, you can't fly a Flexjet aircraft.

Not quite correct. MIGs get to vote. Not a MIG?, you don't get a vote in Union business. As for the contract, what cannot be negotiated will be determined by Arbitrator Fishgold. Not everyone has to pay dues. There are certain people that object, so they have to pay a maintenance fee or make a contribution to charity close to the dues amount. The big thing the company likes is the fact that many of the senior pilots are not MIGs. They enjoy Flexbid and the company wants Flexbid to go away.

 

[Imissmypilot]

Not quite correct. MIGs get to vote. Not a MIG?, you don't get a vote in Union business. As for the contract, what cannot be negotiated will be determined by Arbitrator Fishgold. Not everyone has to pay dues. There are certain people that object, so they have to pay a maintenance fee or make a contribution to charity close to the dues amount. The big thing the company likes is the fact that many of the senior pilots are not MIGs. They enjoy Flexbid and the company wants Flexbid to go away.

I don't think the charity thing is correct but I'm no expert.

It costs money to continue to administrate a contract for such a large pilot group. It is only fair those fees be mitigated, just like health insurance which we contribute to whether we use it regularly or not; at some point the safety net is used. If you don't support it fine pay a maintenance fee but you should have to pay it and not go around the intent with a charity donation.

My guess has always been scamagement is trying to bankrupt the IBT into acquiescence. Why else would they continue to delay, especially when it always ends up costing them so much money?

The yammer jammers spew outrage at the drop of the hat but absolutely no one has outrage for Kenn wasting our dues money on fishing expeditions and immature antics.

On another note, I am looking forward to the day all pilots who have up to this point listened to idiots like pd and fw in not paying. That overdue bill is going to hurt something awful. It's not going to be unaffordable (our dues aren't really high) but the knowledge they've beem gulliable pawns who helped delay their own benefit will be what hurts. Having to write a check for 18 months you thought you were going to get away with is sweet justice. I wonder if Frank will get run out of town tarred and feathered when the rest wake up?

 

[shanes123]

FW is probably one of the biggest idiots of any pilot group I have ever met. The fact that he wasn't tarred n feathered years ago by Flex pilots really says volumes of what the Flex CULTure was like. not really much different then KR CULTure. I suspect thats why there is so little support for the union on the FLEX side

 

[el raton]

FW is probably one of the biggest idiots of any pilot group I have ever met.

Really? He does his job well. He's safe to fly with, he works hard to please the owners... What do you base this on? You're performance?

The fact that he wasn't tarred n feathered years ago by Flex pilots really says volumes of what the Flex CULTure was like.

again, Why would the culture at flexjet require that FW be "tar and feathered" when he doesn't do anything wrong? He does a good job. Honestly, the IBT's culture has a low score because it protects the likes of you. You're a poor pilot. You've demonstrated your lacking ability to use sound judgment. Your character is lacking, you're stupid, you have openly slandered flex pilots in public...the list goes on."tarred and feathered" what a moron!

. not really much different then KR CULTure. I suspect thats why there is so little support for the union on the FLEX side

FW's a good guy. I respect him. I also thank him for serving our country.
You on the other hand...Do all onesky pilots a favor! Go away!

 

[Club ORD FO]

They enjoy Flexbid and the company wants Flexbid to go away.

What's your source for that statement? I was unaware that the company had submitted a scheduling proposal. Also I was told that the company lawyer said everyone should keep what they have.

 

[doh]

Really? He does his job well. He's safe to fly with, he works hard to please the owners... What do you base this on? You're performance? again, Why would the culture at flexjet require that FW be "tar and feathered" when he doesn't do anything wrong? He does a good job. Honestly, the IBT's culture has a low score because it protects the likes of you. You're a poor pilot. You've demonstrated your lacking ability to use sound judgment. Your character is lacking, you're stupid, you have openly slandered flex pilots in public...the list goes on."tarred and feathered" what a moron!
FW's a good guy. I respect him. I also thank him for serving our country.
You on the other hand...Do all onesky pilots a favor! Go away!

Don't turn your back on him. He will gladly shove the knife in and twist it if he thinks he can get ahead by doing so. Upon a time I too respected him...but no more. He is a gutless, cowardly, backstabbing liar. He showed me his true colors.

 

[shanes123]

El Raton your the stupid one and I have played you like the fool that you are from day one..LOL I laugh at you everytime you open your mouth. you and FW are in a race for the DUMBER N DUMBEST AWARD.

 

[Imissmypilot]

What's your source for that statement? I was unaware that the company had submitted a scheduling proposal. Also I was told that the company lawyer said everyone should keep what they have.

Kenn Ricci is on record saying he hates the airline costs ***************ociated with running a fractional and in his opinion 8/6 is the best way to go. As with most things he does not care about budgetary facts. He gets an idea in his head and he childishly pursues it to the tenth degree. He sees that line item $ go to another company and it pisses him off no matter what the bottom line shows.

Look how much this union fight has cost him not only in money but in legal precedent that hurts his fat cat buddies. Kenn does not care about the bottom line. Kenn simply cares about what Kenn cares about with no rationality. Great attitude if you're fighting cancer, bad attitude if you're running a business.

JW is the one who likes Flexbid. And if Kenn Ricci cared about what JW thought or took his advice, we'd be well into a contract by now. No official in this company has the authority to make a major decision without getting his approval.

There is not a damn thing that will happen in this company unless either Kenn Ricci or a federal judge/arbitrator says it so. If you haven't figured that out by now you are wasting your time on anything related to discussing the subject of what will happen with our future. Our only hope of career satisfaction is for that arbritrator to realize he has to over satisfy the pilots to make up for the BS workarounds Kenn will try with the new mcba.

Maybe the union will make a compelling argument for Flexbid to Arbitrator Fishgold. However, with the lack of support from the Flexjet side wanting it, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they concentrated on the line items membership (which is mostly Options) clamoring for and they love their 7/7.

And that is the real downside of lack of enthusiasm for the union at Flex. We have no ear to bend if we have no voice. No membership means no voice.

 

[Imissmypilot]

Really? He does his job well. He's safe to fly with, he works hard to please the owners... What do you base this on? You're performance? again, Why would the culture at flexjet require that FW be "tar and feathered" when he doesn't do anything wrong? He does a good job. Honestly, the IBT's culture has a low score because it protects the likes of you. You're a poor pilot. You've demonstrated your lacking ability to use sound judgment. Your character is lacking, you're stupid, you have openly slandered flex pilots in public...the list goes on."tarred and feathered" what a moron!
FW's a good guy. I respect him. I also thank him for serving our country.
You on the other hand...Do all onesky pilots a favor! Go away!

FW amd a few select others are 100% responsibke for the lack of enthusiasm for the union at Flexjet and 100% responsible for giving poor advice (even advice management is smart enough to stay away from) regarding withholding payment of dues and membership.

As I said above, membership is our only voice right now. The real downside of lack of enthusiasm for the union at Flex is we have no strong voice to express over the desires of the Options pilots who like their way of doing things. When it comes time for them to decide what battles are worth fighting in the arbritration, the only thing leadership via lawyers is going to have to go on is what concerns the overwhleming majority of their membership has to say.

Our Flexjet negotiating team are good guys who got a lot of what we like into those proposals but you did not give them the backing they needed to succeed. It is out of their hands now.

Additionally, FW is also 100% responsible for giving advice that will result in many Flexjet pilots being overdue by 18 months on a bill they will have to pay in July. And for that he should be tarred and feathered.

 

[exagony]

Kenn Ricci is on record saying he hates the airline costs ***************ociated with running a fractional and in his opinion 8/6 is the best way to go. As with most things he does not care about budgetary facts. He gets an idea in his head and he childishly pursues it to the tenth degree. He sees that line item $ go to another company and it pisses him off no matter what the bottom line shows.

Look how much this union fight has cost him not only in money but in legal precedent that hurts his fat cat buddies. Kenn does not care about the bottom line. Kenn simply cares about what Kenn cares about with no rationality. Great attitude if you're fighting cancer, bad attitude if you're running a business.

JW is the one who likes Flexbid. And if Kenn Ricci cared about what JW thought or took his advice, we'd be well into a contract by now. No official in this company has the authority to make a major decision without getting his approval.

There is not a damn thing that will happen in this company unless either Kenn Ricci or a federal judge/arbitrator says it so. If you haven't figured that out by now you are wasting your time on anything related to discussing the subject of what will happen with our future. Our only hope of career satisfaction is for that arbritrator to realize he has to over satisfy the pilots to make up for the BS workarounds Kenn will try with the new mcba.

Maybe the union will make a compelling argument for Flexbid to Arbitrator Fishgold. However, with the lack of support from the Flexjet side wanting it, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they concentrated on the line items membership (which is mostly Options) clamoring for and they love their 7/7.

And that is the real downside of lack of enthusiasm for the union at Flex. We have no ear to bend if we have no voice. No membership means no voice.

When the arbitrator makes his decision, all the Flexjet guys and gals who didn't support the union will all cry its the union's fault for anything lost or not palatable. (it will be the union naysayers and the management's fault for all things lost) Instead you should look in the mirror for who is really to blame, any losses or unpalatable things that the arbitrator comes up with is purely due to your lack of support. The Union fights for you the pilot - the company fights for itself and to extract every ounce of work from you for the lowest possible price to enrich KR and his hacks. Look at Netjets, kicka$$ contract that you would all love to have but don't want to do the work to achieve. They didn't get there because of lack of support of their union. The only reason you Flexjet guys and gals make the money you do is because Bombardier wanted to pay you so that you didn't get a contract similar to Netjets. Many Flexjet pilots just want to let everyone else do the heavy lifting. Pathetic

 

[shanes123]

IMISS and EXAGONY dead on. KR wants a 8/6 it is the most beneficial for the company. amazing the idiots that think KR is looking out for their best interest.

 

[doh]

Round two of arbitration today through Thursday.

 

[dime line]

Round two of arbitration today through Thursday.

So I hear the company didn't meet with the pilots at all this month. Didn't have time

 

[shanes123]

probably trying to keep doors open.. Word in office things aren't good. guess flying a G450 at Phenom 300 rates isn't profitable who would of ever guessed????