Court Injunction Against USAPA GRANTED

[Dan Roman]

USAPA - screwing up pilot careers one injunction at a time!

Gup

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....and that's putting it nicely.

 

[waveflyer]

I don't know. But he is a Republican.

This^^^
way to go righties.... Patiently waiting for pilots to vote their own interests...
Not holding my breath, but maybe you'll consider that a strong healthy middle class is better in every way, including economically .
And see? Me and PCL agree on a lot of stuff.

What has been created is a serious problem. The safety card has been used now for so long by the east that they now have a judge ordering against our safety decisions. Absolutely ridiculous situation you've created over there.

 

[Raoul Duke]

So what are the odds of the East pilots forming a new union so they can sidestep the Judge's injunction?

 

[Dan Roman]

This^^^
way to go righties.... Patiently waiting for pilots to vote their own interests...
Not holding my breath, but maybe you'll consider that a strong healthy middle class is better in every way, including economically .
And see? Me and PCL agree on a lot of stuff.

What has been created is a serious problem. The safety card has been used now for so long by the east that they now have a judge ordering against our safety decisions. Absolutely ridiculous situation you've created over there.

Well said wave, SWA will perish without a strong vibrant middle class. The continued growth of the gap between the rich and poor could ultimately kill SWA.

 

[LearLove]

what work slow down? other than the hurrican, one day of crappy wx last week and a mx cx in LGA in late July(ish) I can't remember the last time I was late while flying 80 hours/month.

 

[waveflyer]

Well said wave, SWA will perish without a strong vibrant middle class. The continued growth of the gap between the rich and poor could ultimately kill SWA.

Just swa Dan? Just swa?

 

[Dan Roman]

Just swa Dan? Just swa?

Of course not, but you work there which is why I brought it up, not an insult just an observation. Obviously they are heavily dependent on the lower fare paying traveler.

 

[pilotyip]

Well said wave, SWA will perish without a strong vibrant middle class. The continued growth of the gap between the rich and poor could ultimately kill SWA.

What is middle class? BTW I don't see one post about these middle class pax who are being forced to fly at other airlines because they are unhappy about service.

 

[cactusboy53]

what work slow down? other than the hurrican, one day of crappy wx last week and a mx cx in LGA in late July(ish) I can't remember the last time I was late while flying 80 hours/month.

Your trips may go great, but it is documented in a 140 page report by Dr. D. Lee. Now a permanent part of court records. You should read the report and the court transcripts. It is all very revealing. USAPA has managed to abuse the only leverage that we may have had in a JOINT contract by isolating the east pilot group in its "Safety Campaign".

Now LCC has "our union" by the pistachios. Any perceived failure to comply WILL result in TERMINATIONS. I would presume that there is a list of people expected to "not comply".

We could have been negotiating our SECOND post merger contract (like Delta). Our lawyer that promised the east DOH has collected over 10 MILLION dollars of our dues money, and is extricating himself from this debacle. Now who knows what is going to happen. What a shame.

 

[boxjockey]

Just swa Dan? Just swa?

All you need to do is look at the wealth transfer in the US and you can see where we are headed. Largest wealth gap in the developed world, and growing by the minute. Soon, there will be no "middle class", only the rich and the poor.

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[HalinTexas]

Who cares about "wealth gap?" It's an arbitrary and capricious determination. It's standard of living that matters. Show me who has a higher standard of living, and tell me why Americans are emigrating there in droves?

Obama is in office, the NLRB is heavily labor friendly, so why aren't all these labor issues in the airlines settled already? I remember many on this and other forums stating, repeatedly, that once W is out, all things will be better. How's that workin' out for ya?

 

[pilotyip]

All you need to do is look at the wealth transfer in the US and you can see where we are headed. Largest wealth gap in the developed world, and growing by the minute. Soon, there will be no "middle class", only the rich and the poor.

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back to box one, what is middle class? Tell me in terms of anything like income, house size, cars owned, etc. What is middle class?

If someone can learn their job in a couple three months of hand on training, the middle class is probably outside of their reach. The rising tide of worldwide economic improvement is moving the entire world to a higher level; poverty worldwide is at its lowest levels since measurements started. As economic conditions improve the less likely there is to be a major conflict. Countries don’t like killing trade partners. As the economies around improve they will buy more US stuff. However economic power will shift overseas, because the US is loosing innovation potential to countries overseas. We are training less engineers than we did in the 60's, even thought college enrollment is up 400%, however have had 1000% increase in communications majors. Students go to college by the 1000’s but graduate with no marketable skills.

 

[Taco Rocket]

Now LCC has "our union" by the pistachios. Any perceived failure to comply WILL result in TERMINATIONS. I would presume that there is a list of people expected to "not comply".
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So if they fire more guys -- what will ultimately happen?

Isn't the guy who shot up the plane back on the job?

 

[LearLove]

We are training less engineers than we did in the 60's, even thought college enrollment is up 400%, however have had 1000% increase in communications majors. Students go to college by the 1000’s but graduate with no marketable skills.

winner winner chicken dinner. Too many bullsh1t/usless majors offered by colleges.

Engineering - ME/CE/EE and ChemE cover it all for engineering.

BIO - medical stuff

Physics - science stuff

Accounting/Finance cover bussiness

English/Math/Science/Language/history - cover the rest for the teaching type degrees.


Communications/Political Science/Computer science/Professional Pilot ect. are all crap. We should have students study/major in one of the "foundation type degrees" (Business/Science/Engineering/Histoy) then take that foundation and train in a chosen career specialization.

 

[stein429]

Talk about thread creep.

USAPA is a joke. Always has been and always will be.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Has Flight Attendant Bradford poked his head out of the Wack-A-Mole game he has been living in to weigh in on the injunction? I really hope he is one of those bitter personality types that will spend the rest of his life rehashing all of his mistakes.

 

[TWA Dude]

So if they fire more guys -- what will ultimately happen?

Our hope is that they'll see the idiocy of their choice in leadership and live up to their commitment in accepting the Nicolau Award. If not, they'll just keep complaining about LOA93 and blaming everybody but themselves.

Isn't the guy who shot up the plane back on the job?

I believe he is.

 

[becket]

Idiots....completely predictable, out of control, IDIOTS.

They were warned years ago this was a fools errand. It's all on YouTube.

 

[C Festerpuss]

Yep!! USAPPY done got itself whacked.

Yoall gotta figure that this is in good company.

American Done got whacked, Comair Got Whacked, and Now Lookee here....

United done got whacked and lost a TRO. https://crewroom.alpa.org/ual/DesktopModules/ViewDocument.aspx?DocumentID=48098

USAPPY screwed up but they is in good compnay.

 

[Bad-Andy]

Now LCC has "our union" by the pistachios. Any perceived failure to comply WILL result in TERMINATIONS. I would presume that there is a list of people expected to "not comply".

The rumor is that there are approximately 280 names on that list... It is truly amazing what one can do with a computer with a database and cluster analysis.....

Let's see if management can hit this nice, gentle, pitch across the center of the plate, or if they screw this up and miss yet another opportunity to turn the train around before it drives off the cliff...