Corporate Pay for GIV flight department?

[TXGold]

Could someone please tell me why I thought the grass was greener from the otherside of the fence.

What amount have you heard most people starting out at a Fortune 100 company make flying as a rated Co-Pilot?
Close to a thousand hours already in the GIV with Captain experience under my belt. Not able to upgrade because of "corporate policy of 5000TT."
We stay in Courtyard Marriotts and the like. Holiday Inn Express is another favorite, we also will have stayed at the Best Western. Another thing, no drinking on the road. The people in favor of this rule and who implemented it say "everybody's doing it or will be soon." 20/20/35 meal plan, not per diem.
QOL sucks right now.

 

[C-5 MEM]

Are you typed in the Gulfstream?

 

[TXGold]

Yes I am

 

[gto2002]

maybe ya should fly freight or a while and live off of nothing if you think that is bad At least you have a food allowance that beats my per diem.
I would think with your type you could find whatever you really want.
Good luck

 

[G100driver]

Could someone please tell me why I thought the grass was greener from the otherside of the fence.

What amount have you heard most people starting out at a Fortune 100 company make flying as a rated Co-Pilot?
Close to a thousand hours already in the GIV with Captain experience under my belt. Not able to upgrade because of "corporate policy of 5000TT."
We stay in Courtyard Marriotts and the like. Holiday Inn Express is another favorite, we also will have stayed at the Best Western. Another thing, no drinking on the road. From what I have heard from the people in favor of this rule abd who implemented it "everybodies doing it." 20/20/35 meal plan. QOL sucks right now.

Since you cannot drink on the road you can eat pretty well in the lower 48 on $75 a day.

Are those amounts limited to each meal or can you eat $60 for dinner $15 for lunch and eat free hotel breakfast?

Do not know what to say about the hotel thing ....

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Could someone please tell me why I thought the grass was greener from the otherside of the fence.

What amount have you heard most people starting out at a Fortune 100 company make flying as a rated Co-Pilot?
Close to a thousand hours already in the GIV with Captain experience under my belt. Not able to upgrade because of "corporate policy of 5000TT."
We stay in Courtyard Marriotts and the like. Holiday Inn Express is another favorite, we also will have stayed at the Best Western. Another thing, no drinking on the road. From what I have heard from the people in favor of this rule abd who implemented it "everybodies doing it." 20/20/35 meal plan. QOL sucks right now.

Yes, I can agree 100% that sucks.

Do like the regional and frac guys do....stuff you bag full of the Holiday Inn Express breakfast buffett muffins, cookies, apples, etc..then eat them all day and save all that peridem money and add it into your salary when people ask...

(or just shop for a better job)


No - in reality - flying a larger corp plane can lead to demanding trips..being comfortable and living decent on the road makes a BIG difference. Good car sevices, hotels with 24hr services (food,gym etc) and a realistic meal plan are just required IMHO. Realistic means that if we trust you to fly a 40mil airplane we trust you to make sensible expense choices...$150 bottles of wine? no. A decent wine and a decent meal in a nice city - you bet. enjoy.

Many times the retards who implement these policies have ZERO people skills, they claim pilots have abused it in the past but they were too spineless to deal with those individuals. I know if I turn in a rediculous expense receipt I will be called to explain it. If it makes sense, no problem. If it was pure abuse, it wont get paid!. simple as that. Abusers get singled out and the rest view them as a threat to a good open policy.

FWIW I also know of NO other corp departments who do this 20/20/30 (whatever) food program. thats laughable.

The 5000tt upgrade thing is also usually BS. My guess is there are other reasons. Maybe you spent $36 dollars on dinner and they are pi$$ed at you? - or possiby you snagged the last blueberry muffins off the Best Western buffett (for dinner later) and the loser Chief Pilot wanted that muffin?



good luck!

 

[C-5 MEM]

I have learned early in my flying days that those who make big demands on your upgrade is afraid of losing their job.

 

[G4G5]

I know of a couple of very large Fortune 50 companies in the North East that have meal limits.

One has a $60 a day domestic limit (Intl you are free to use the company credit card).

It seems to work for them because you get your $60 a day based upon time leaving and arriving home base. Example, depart at 7 pm and eat dinner on the aircraft, $60 bucks (large equipment with FA's). Arrive at 1201 AM another $60 bucks. Do a quick NYC-BOS-NYC turn another $60 and lunch is on the aircraft. They cut you a check based upon the number of days you worked last month. No expense report BS, just a nice check at the end of the month and you keep the credit card miles.

The other company is just plain cheap. $45 a day and you don't get the cash if you don't use it. Every meal is on the company credit and you reimburse the company if you go over $45.

 

[doublepsych]

a bit of thread creep...

We stay in Courtyard Marriotts and the like. Holiday Inn Express is another favorite, we also will have stayed at the Best Western. Another thing, no drinking on the road. From what I have heard from the people in favor of this rule abd who implemented it "everybodies doing it." 20/20/35 meal plan. QOL sucks right now.

Dude, I only wish I could get a room in a Best Western, much less a Courtyard. On my last trip, we stayed in two different dumps and one decent place, all in the same city. My "Chief Pilot" seems to shoot for hotels less than $65 a night, and shoots for $30/day for food, which can mean junky fast food for lunch, to make up for an "expensive" $30 dinner. The problem here is not with having a tighta$$ owner, but a cheapskate CP (not to mention some other performance issues). I'm about to snap with the whole deal, and if we couldn't drink, I probably already would have.

 

[g4800xp]

We have no limit on dining, but as with everything here, we are expected to be reasonable. I would not work for someone who wats me to eat fast food because when i need my bypass they are cheap and will bypass my employment.
Nice hotels, great aircraft, great meals in neat places and flying around 10 to 14 days a month with some great guys. Yes there are some great jobs out there, I am blessed, I have one and thank the lord everyday. Keep your ears open, meet everyone you can and when you least expect it, expect it. There are many people that just make it sound corporate work is the worst, and there are many bottom feeders out there, but don't get sucked in and depressed. Just keep looking. Good Luck

 

[TXGold]

Many times the retards who implement these policies have ZERO people skills, they claim pilots have abused it in the past but they were too spineless to deal with those individuals. I know if I turn in a rediculous expense receipt I will be called to explain it. If it makes sense, no problem. If it was pure abuse, it wont get paid!. simple as that. Abusers get singled out and the rest view them as a threat to a good open policy.

Man you are a genius. You nailed it here. There are some abusers, and were some big ones in the past from what I hear, but not really anymore. BTW this isn't a per deim, its per meal.

FWIW I also know of NO other corp departments who do this 20/20/30 (whatever) food program. thats laughable.

Jesus, you said it man!

The 5000tt upgrade thing is also usually BS. My guess is there are other reasons. Maybe you spent $36 dollars on dinner and they are pi$$ed at you? - or possiby you snagged the last blueberry muffins off the Best Western buffett (for dinner later) and the loser Chief Pilot wanted that muffin?

I haven't laughed all day, and wham. Thanks for the laughs G200. Its appreciated. The 5000tt thing is again, to save the company money, atleast from what I think. I was flying captain across the pond on this thing before I got here. During the final interview and salary meeting, I really didn't pin down what my potential was, and when I tried to it was quickly steered off subject. Trying to land a job and do negotiating at the signing table is not possible.

I have already said to much but still would like to know what some numbers are from you guys flying with in flight departments with multiple Haevy Metal aircraft started at, even if it was as co-captain?

It is amazing to me what is happening to flight departments. We are our own worst enemy.

TXGold

 

[501261]

Could someone please tell me why I thought the grass was greener from the otherside of the fence.
We stay in Courtyard Marriotts and the like. Holiday Inn Express is another favorite, we also will have stayed at the Best Western. Another thing, no drinking on the road. The people in favor of this rule and who implemented it say "everybody's doing it or will be soon." 20/20/35 meal plan, not per diem.
QOL sucks right now.

That's ridiculous! Best thing you can do is leave. Here's why, "chief pilots" like that are bad for aviation, if enough people leave "his" department then he either wises up to best standards and practices or his boss will eventually wonder why none of the "copilots" are sticking around

 

[G100driver]

My "Chief Pilot" seems to shoot for hotels less than $65 a night, and shoots for $30/day for food, which can mean junky fast food for lunch, to make up for an "expensive" $30 dinner. The problem here is not with having a tighta$$ owner, but a cheapskate CP (not to mention some other performance issues). I'm about to snap with the whole deal, and if we couldn't drink, I probably already would have.

Have you thought about turning in your own receipts and not eating with him?

When he asks what you are doing tell him that you a concerned for your health. There is never an excuse to be forced into eating fast food.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Hell, I just fly a little Citation in the south, and we're not even close to that. Marriott's, Hilton's Doubletree's, etc. on the road, company credit card for all meals, expenses are never questioned as long as they are reasonable. Sure, my boss can be a bigtime pain in the a$$ to deal with sometimes, but for the most part, I've got a great job. Hell, even at my last $hitbag charter company, I still stayed at nice hotels. Crappy rooms are completely inexcusable. Period. If some rich guy can afford to own and operate a multi-million dollar jet, he can afford to take care of his pilots. That's just a dam-n fact. Start looking.

 

[doublepsych]

Hell, I just fly a little Citation in the south, and we're not even close to that. Marriott's, Hilton's Doubletree's, etc. on the road, company credit card for all meals, expenses are never questioned as long as they are reasonable. Sure, my boss can be a bigtime pain in the a$$ to deal with sometimes, but for the most part, I've got a great job. Hell, even at my last $hitbag charter company, I still stayed at nice hotels. Crappy rooms are completely inexcusable. Period. If some rich guy can afford to own and operate a multi-million dollar jet, he can afford to take care of his pilots. That's just a dam-n fact. Start looking.

Start looking is right. I have a couple of irons warming in the job search, hoping to hear something soon. My present gig would be awesome if I flew w/someone decent. The owner is great, the cheapskate BS is all originating from the "CP" (I hate to call him that due to his lack of aviating skills). The poor guy really is clueless, on several levels...which is why I need to move on.

The really bad part of our hotel situation is that, at first, I had to do some prompting to even get a single room. That lights out at 9pm crap when sharing a room is for the birds. Took a little doing, but finally broke him of that one. So now he really seems to look for the el cheapo digs. I guess that should have been a BIG red flag as to how things were going to be.