Corporate hiring

[AAPvtPilot]

This might help someone out, not me because I lack the time and experience but maybe one day.

I hope that this helps someone out.
And maybe if any of you know of a corporate outfit that might be hiring please send me a Private Message or email me at:
[email protected]

Happy Holidays



http://www.theairgroup.com/jobs.asp

 

[rice]

Just saw this re-posted ad

Co-pilot needed for Chicago based LR-35 operator. Min TT 4000 hours. Starting pay $25,000.
Hope that 4k TT includes time spent behind the controls of the French Fry machine.

Any wonder why it was reposted within a month? I mean, how is a guy with 4k TT supposed to live in Chicago on $25 k?

 

[750driver]

Re: Just saw this re-posted ad

Any wonder why it was reposted within a month? I mean, how is a guy with 4k TT supposed to live in Chicago on $25 k?

On French fries Rice ... that's about all one can afford for 25K in ORD. The sad part is, people are probably lining up for it.

 

[rice]

Hey 750,

We gotta do something about your "current position". PM me when you get the time.

Oh, I here what your saying 'bout the guys lining up for that 35 job. Sad for all of us when they do that. I hope that company enjoys employing a high time 172 driver.

 

[A4Forever]

Rice.. Here in Denver the average wage for professionals is historicaly lower than that in other metro areas of the same size. Why? Cause people like to live here and the employers know it. Same analogy applies to flying jobs. The employers know that there are numbers of unemployed and under employed pilots out there. Why would a guy or gal take a flying for sub-standard wages when they could make more doing something else? Cause they love to fly. I think that as long as the "passion to fly" is there, we pilots will work for whatever we can get and hope it gets better. Unfortunatly, some of the jobs just don't pay enough to live on. PS: GO NAVY!

 

[rice]

A4, Now I see we've got three things in common. The NAVY, the flying, and the town. Send me a PM and lets see how close we really are.

 

[banned username 2]

Re: Just saw this re-posted ad

Co-pilot needed for Chicago based LR-35 operator. Min TT 4000 hours. Starting pay $25,000.

Shouldn't this be in the YGBSM section?

9 years ago I started out as an F/O on a Lear 35 in the Chicago area and I was making $31,000 and that was for a FAR 135 Charter Company... I had 2,450 hours, 850 Multi and 0 turbine time...

Sad, very sad...

 

[h25b]

Looks like people are starting to line up to try and take advantage of the current industry downturn.

Good luck to us all...

 

[P3-Adub]

And the guys over on the Majors board are saying that pilots are paid too much, the landslide begins ! Gee, my mortgage isn't getting any cheaper ???

Hey Rice, PM me, curious who you work for ? I am also suffering from altitude sickness !

 

[100-1/2]

Let us once again look deeper....

...into a rather innocent looking job announcement, that when evaluated (like a weed) at the surface has many strong nuances deep below ground.

First, 4000TT is not the company's minimum. It is the minimum instituted by the Insurance Underwriter. This is factored by many things including the owner's(operator's) accident history, age of the equipment, use (purpose and scope), avionics (not) installed and finally the premium is the lowest the owner/operator could get or was willing to pay to "go Fast".

Second, no mention of type rating or sim training. Another factor in determining the afore mentioned.

Speculation:
Captain is the owner of the aircraft, probably has his A&P with some Garrett School and does all/most Mx. He calls(pages) you an hour before flight from his office and expects you to be at the airport, have all the preperation complete (out of Hangar, fueled, preflight, flightplan filed and clearance), he shows up, hops in and fires up the engines disregarding checklists and your purpose for being there (IT IS A TWO-PILOT AIRPLANE!). You might get to work the gear and flaps.

Conclusion:
This guy is very cheap! No one in their right mind (maybe a joe with that 4K hours bombing around the patch in a 172) would put that kind of time together for this situation. Last guy hired probably got the job and found all this out including he had 90 days to go to FSI or Simuflite AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE. Thus, the reason for re-posting the opening.

Don't worry guys (and Gals) NO ONE will be crawling over ANY ONE ELSE's back to get this "job".

100-1/2

 

[Archer]

Title: Captain (Large Corporate Aircraft)
Gulfstream III / Norfolk, VA
Challenger 604 / New England

Minimum
Experience: Airline Transport Pilot Rating
Appropriate Type Rating

Total Time: 7500 hours
Time in type: 500 hours
Pilot in Command: 4000 hours
Turbine Time: 4000 hours


Title: Co-Pilot (Large Corporate Aircraft)
Challenger 604 / New England

Minimum
Experience: Airline Transport Pilot Rating
Appropriate Type Rating

Total Time: 4000 hours
Time in type: 200 hours
Pilot in Command: 3000 hours
Turbine Time: 3000 hours

Title: Captain (Small and Medium Corporate Aircraft)
Citation Excel / Santa Barbara

Minimum
Experience: Airline Transport Pilot Rating
Appropriate Type Rating

Total Time: 4000 hours
Time in Type: 200 hours
Pilot in Command: 3000 hours
Turbine Time: 3000 hours

Title: Captain (Turbo Prop Aircraft)
Commander 690 / Santa Barbara

Minimum
Experience: Airline Transport Pilot Rating
Appropriate Type Rating

Total Time: 2000 hours
Time in Type: 200 hours
Pilot in Command: 1500 hours
Turbine Time: 500 hours

Just curious....how does pilots applying for a "co-pilot" position in a Citation Excel meet the requirements of time in type? I mean, I understand a Captain could be expected to have time in type, after having flown right-seat for a couple hundred hours...but what about those who want to apply for the right seat, and there is no third seat?

Do they just hope you flew 200 hours as co-pilot of a Citation Excel at some other "sub-standard" company that has no time in type requirements for First officers?

Archer

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Archer,

You will find that having 200hrs in an aircraft will certainly NOT mean that you are a Captain. You can have 2000 hours in a type and not be a Captain.

Most larger corp operators require much more than 200hrs in type unless it is similar equipment to what you have plenty of time in. Most operte with BOTH pilots Captain QUALIFIED (typed,trained each 6 mths) but rest assured there is ONE PIC.

With a type rating and current Simulator training you can call yourself "A Captain"....does not mean anyone is going to give you a plane to be CAPTAIN on!!

 

[banned username 2]

Archer,

You will find that having 200hrs in an aircraft will certainly NOT mean that you are a Captain. You can have 2000 hours in a type and not be a Captain.

Most larger corp operators require much more than 200hrs in type unless it is similar equipment to what you have plenty of time in. Most operte with BOTH pilots Captain QUALIFIED (typed,trained each 6 mths) but rest assured there is ONE PIC.

With a type rating and current Simulator training you can call yourself "A Captain"....does not mean anyone is going to give you a plane to be CAPTAIN on!!

Well said!!!

Hey, G200... How are you likin' the new ride???

 

[Gulfstream 200]

YES! ....thanks for asking!

Seems fun and easy to fly! All the toys have already made me a lazy pilot (Is that bad??).....Im thinking NOT.

Have a fun and safe holiday!!

 

[Lumber Yak]

Gulfstream 200,

What new ride are you talking about - the Galaxy or the DA50?


Cheers

 

[banned username 2]

Gulfstream 200,

What new ride are you talking about - the Galaxy or the DA50?

Check his "Current Position" Falcon 900EX Captain...

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Lumber Yak,

got a new ride recently, 900EX.
seems to fly very nice!
I highly reccomend buying one if you have a few extra bucks lying around!

Happy Holidays !!

 

[750driver]

... got a new ride recently, 900EX.
seems to fly very nice! I highly reccomend buying one if you have a few extra bucks lying around!

Happy Holidays !!

G200, you're right about that. That is one righteous ride brotha'. I had the chance to take a tour in one a while back. A crew we met at Garfield County Rgnl. (KRIL) had one. First class to say the least.

 

[Archer]

You will find that having 200hrs in an aircraft will certainly NOT mean that you are a Captain. You can have 2000 hours in a type and not be a Captain.

I understand this, but that wasn't my question. I was wondering how could a co-pilot who wishes to fly a Citation Excel, have 200 horus in type, if it is the first time he applies to such a job?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

ya know Archer, I guess I really dont know.
Just another inquiry from you that totally confuses me, we are just dumb pilots here, not rocket scientists.
Dont overcomplicate it.

Good Luck.