Corp Jobs Contradiction ?

[AA717driver]

From a bitter, ex-airline guy...sort of.

Bafanguy--When you go looking for a corporate job after the airlines, you have to totally wipe the slate clean. You have to adopt the attitude that you are underqualified(compared to everyone else out there) for the position and really concentrate on selling yourself.

Some call it grovelling or sucking up. Call it what you want. If you think of it in that vein, you will continue to call yourself unemployed.

It isn't easy to make the transition. You have to wait until they ask you about "how it was in the airlines" and not be to bitter about being on the street after 15 years or 'once being a captain and now unemployed...'

This is a new and different challenge for us ex-airline types and we have a lot to learn. We can use our experience to build on in this job but it's not a lateral move. Going corporate is like transitioning from fighters to 747's--virtually nothing is the same and it's very challenging.

But if anyone even thinks you have ever had a chip on your shoulder, they will show you the exit. Our furloughed bretheren did not do us any favors in the early 90's. Lot's of bad tastes left in corporate operator's mouths.

Good luck. PM me if you want more insight.TC

 

[Publishers]

There are a couple of things to keep in mind. First, that resume that you left 6 months ago is in a heap somewhere. They may or may not bother to look for it.

Second, they may have a piece of equipment that is unique to their immediate neighborhood and not have that many resumes that are equipped and qualified.

Third, you may find someone better than you local choice. It does not hurt to look.

Fourth, you get a better picture of the market talent and pay from talking to a number of people.

Fifth, with the internet, it is going to still be quick. In the old days it took some time to advertise and wait for responses. Today you click , tomorrow you have three thousand emails (few qualified but certainly a bunch).

HR and legal will be happier and so will the chairman because you searched far and wide before hiring your cousin.

 

[aeronautic1]

G200

You want to fly-um G200? Me fly-um G200. Flight Safety initial is $31K. You go get-um type, plenty work for you.

Typical contract PIC pays $600-650 per day/$450-500 for SIC. You will probably need 100 hours in the aircraft before insurance will approve you for PIC, maybe not. However, with the large numbers of this aircraft on order and being delivered each month, this is a good type for the future. Not too many contract pilots out there.

There are now currently 103 hulls built. NetJets as ordered 50 with another 50 option. How do you fell about riding right seat with someone half your age and 1/3 your flight time for a couple of years? Because that's what you have to look forward to at NetJets until a left seat billet opens up by seniority.

Wishing you the Best of Luck.

 

[bafanguy]

Thanks for the info, Bros. My original post was prompted by the most idle of curiosity. But, as sometimes happens, asking one question generates the unanticipated return of learning things that are even more important than the original issue. Thanks for your insightful replies. Merry Christmas to all.

 

[SilentBob]

networking

Aeronautic1 (and others),


Since we're talking networking, got any suggestions for the best way to get your name out for contract work after you do get the FSI type done in say the GV (G550 initial and G450 differences). Maybe there is not as much work for this "friend of mine" as there is for a G200 guy but he would like to find out. He's got a few contacts but looking for more since he spent too much on Christmas gifts etc. Any thoughts appreciated.

Snoogins,

Jay (for SilentBob)

 

[ultrarunner]

I would get information to the usual sources that provide crews, such as Flight Crews Unlimited, JPI. I would also suggest contacting Jet Aviation and Tag Aviation. Two friends of mine have been currently doing a fair amount of work for both these outfits.

 

[skydan]

Connections are good BUT

You have to also mine jobs. Some good boards are

www.planejobs.com
www.aviationcareer.com
www.skyjobs.com
www.avcrew.com
www.findapilot.com

 

[JumboCat3]

Fair is Fair.....

OK, here I go again. Just trying to understand. I get the message that corp job hunting is all about connections ( assuming you're qualified to start with)...you have spoken and I believe.

So then, when corp operators are looking for one or two heads, why do they advertise on the internet job websites ? They can't fill the position from local, known recommendations ? It's all about connections and they don't have such a limited number of local "connection" candidates available they can't find two heads ? You're supposed to routinely make the rounds of your corp community wth a fist full of resumes...you have to schmooze them over time ( like foreplay...sorta ), yet when they need two people they advertise ?

Coca-Cola is advertising for a captain ? Excuse me...THE best-known brand in the world has to beat the internet bushes for a captain in a huge corp town like ATL ? Coca-Cola doesn't have a huge stack of resumes from which to pick ? Connections ? You told me all about "connections".

And, Kingair jobs...what's the deal with that ? They're as common as fleas. And these operators don't have local talent lined up in the wings...panting and drooling ? I know, it's an entry-level airplane but so what; the world is lousy with qualified pilots in every town. Every day brings a new batch of Kingair job postings. Why ?

And, why is NetJets advertising for pilots ( twice in recent weeks ) ? A well-known frac actually has to appeal to the public for MORE resumes ?

I'm just an old airline guy, but I'm totally confused by the corp world. I'm getting mixed messages and don't know enough to unmix them.

I am, however, confident YOU will explain all of this...and I thank you and await answers to all sentences followed by a "?".

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Mr., You are correct.

In the chicago area, all of the young Corp. pilots
know who is who in the area. They know exactly
who they will let in and who they won't let in.

I see the different company pilots ( usually 35 to 45 years old) having
lunch together around town. These pilots know all the poop
on pilots from charter firms or training institutions.
If you have ever done anything wrong or don't fit their click
you won't ever have a chance.

I started interviewing last March at some big Corps. in the
area and found it to be a joke.
I interviewed with a Chief Pilot who seemed to like me.
Then he had me come in again to be beaten up by his
indians.
They asked me questions like, " will you serve passengers catering?"
And, "Will you take orders from a young Pilot?"
Each Pilot was watching the time and seemed bored to hell and
gave you the feeling that they were going through protocall.

I knew the second I came into the room that I did not have a
snow balls chance in hell at that company. I have seen all the
young pilots at local establishments talking.

LINE13:
I did not fit the perfect profile of being 35 years old, big hair,
play golf and have a mini van full of kids. I knew it. I felt it.

I interviewed at a company right next door to the above corp..
I am typed in both jets that they are hiring in. I have extreme
experience in both aircraft as Captain. I live .8 miles from thier
front door.
But when I interviewed, they were quick, cold and short.
They told me they were just seeing who is out there.

But I am sure they had a pilot picked long ago and HE fit
the description of LINE 13.

I have been flying for 26 years and suddenly I am not good
enough.

I don't care what anyone says, These young guys want
nothing to do with a certain age bracket, pro or not.

I agree, these companies play the game for the EEOC.
But no one is watching! No one can prove a thing.

Evil.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I gotta know what "extreme experience" is.


I wouldn't hire ANYONE with "extreme experience"

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