Considering CAPT? BE WARNED!

[The_Russian]

First of all, must you quote my entire message and clutter the thread? Second of all, don't be making generalizations about how if I really want it, I can make it happen. As someone who "loves to teach" maybe you should take a few lessons on reality. Don't go thinking you got a solution to my problems until you walked in my shoes. For a chick, I'm very surprised at your approach to my situation. I'd think you'd be more rational about it. But whatever.

As for the CAPT deal, I'll keep my own counsel about why I warn people about it. And you'd be wrong again for believing that everyone knows the downfalls of aviation. Again, take a few more lessons.

The fact that you are getting pi$$ed at me boggles my mind. You aren't even listening to what I have to say. You just put a brick wall up and say, "I can't do it!". I am not at all making generalizations about you or your situation. You have told me your situation and I am telling you what you can do to get your aviation career started.

As a regional FO, you will have 11-16 days off a month to work another job. If you wait tables or bartend, you can make up to 200 dollars a day in most places. This will allow you to pay your bills. You can also pick up extra flight time at you airline. This will get you more pay and a faster upgrade. Some companies will allow you to work in other departments on you days off. There again, is extra cash.

You can call you loan company and change your payment. Or, you can not pay them at all. To the creditor: F$%@ them. Get your job and pay them later. Your credit will suck for a few years, but who cares. If you dont want to pay them, just enroll part time in community college. It will cost less than paying them, and you don't even have to go to class. Fail every one if you want. If you are enrolled in a school, by law, you do not have to pay. This will not hurt your credit at all.

The shortages you post are too small to make an excuse for. It sounds to me as if you are doing this to yourself just to prove a point. Your point is "CAPT SUX". While we all know that, you seem to be the most affected by it. You can choose not to be. Get off your butt and get a job!

Just trying to help,

Russian

 

[Flying Ninja]

Who's getting pi$$ed? I'm just being very matter of fact. So, let's go over your strategy here. No regional that I know of will hire me with the amount of total time I have on the books. So everything else I'm about to say is pretty pointless, but I got time...

11-16 days off...are you including days that I sit on reserve and not get a call from scheduling? And what job is going to just let me walk off the premise because the bat phone rang?

What company will let me work in other departments? Doing what? How much does that pay? How many hours can I expect monthly?

Tell my creditor to kiss off isn't my style. And the last thing I want to do is to add more interest on my alraedy astronomical debt. Did you even look at what my monthly loan payment is? The going back to school to fail classes is a great idea I must say. Can I take just one class at 3 credits or do I have to be a full time student to take advantage of that? If I have to go full time, that means I'll be paying the college instead of the creditors. Sounds like I rather just pay the creditors to me.

I don't need standard textbook responses to my situation. I need real world applicable solutions that won't sink me further into the quicksand I'm in. For your information, I do have a job...back with the industry that hasn't fracked me...so that I can deposit my pay checks to my creditors. I can't do that on a regional FO pay. Sorry Charlie, or Betty, or whatever you want to be called.

I think your best intentions would be to mail me a lotto ticket for the next drawing. That at least would suggest a sincere desire to help. Everything else is just ineffective suggestions in my situation.

Thanks for your help.

 

[crazyaviatrix]

Ok so do you have your instructor ratings or not?? If not then your a dumbass for spending that much and not having them. If you do have them then get off your ass and instruct like the rest of us bending over and grabing our ankles for the job we want. But seriously why did you go to Riddle and consider spend 100k on flight training if you couldn't afford it. Didn't you have an idea what your loan payment would be before you dug yourself a hole??

 

[Flying Ninja]

I don't have my CFI and didn't get that from CAPT. And I figured out the financials before I went to CAPT and determined that if they delivered me to the airlines and I got hired I'd be able to make monthly payments. However, because of their mismanagement, my training lasted 5 months longer than expected, and that translated to a lot more cost of living which resulted in my financial hole. The fact that they said to me that they have 7-9 airline interviews that were guaranteed, I figured 1 airline out of 7-9 would hire me. After all, CAPT did put me through their screening process that they developed which they said was equivalent to what I'll be seeing at the airlines...so if I can pass theirs... Or so they said...

Even if 0 airlines hired me out of those 7-9, at least 7-9 airlines all agree that I suck. But, I never had that opportunity. Why? Because CAPT had ZERO guaranteed interviews. So to answer your question, I didn't think it was going to end up to be $100k after it was all said and done. And before I got into my multi-engine phase, I had to decide if I wanted to finish what I started (which means take more money out) or quit (and go home with nothing). Well, I decided to finish what I started but looking back, quitting probably would have been easier on the wallet because both decisions would have landed me exactly where I am today (career wise).

Bottom line, if they can do me dirty, anyone thinking about going to CAPT should keep in mind that they are fully capable of doing you dirty. Believe me, I'm not the only victim of CAPT...I may be the loudest voice in the victims pool, but I'm not alone.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

TO ALL:

Flying Ninja = Sour Grapes. Plain and simple. Just read this individuals posts on this board and others. He spews the same stuff over and over. YES - You got GANKED. We all know. Since you first began spreading this drivel, you have been offered countless plausible solutions to you plight, yet all you do is say it can't work and you're screwed. We should all feel so bad for you. Guess what, most people in this world really don't care. In my opinion, you're someone who thought he'd leapfrog everyone with some flashy program and ended up getting ganked. If you really wanted to fly, you could. There are just too many feasible options that would allow you to do so, yet you just complain complain complain. You ae unwilling to pursue any oppourtunities and rather remain bitter. I don't think you really want it bad enough anyways.

Personally, with your attitude which I recognize from these boards, it is best you remain outside of the flightdeck. Your attitude is poor, disgruntled and seemingly closed-minded.

 

[The_Russian]

TO ALL:

Flying Ninja = Sour Grapes. Plain and simple. Just read this individuals posts on this board and others. He spews the same stuff over and over. YES - You got GANKED. We all know. Since you first began spreading this drivel, you have been offered countless plausible solutions to you plight, yet all you do is say it can't work and you're screwed. We should all feel so bad for you. Guess what, most people in this world really don't care. In my opinion, you're someone who thought he'd leapfrog everyone with some flashy program and ended up getting ganked. If you really wanted to fly, you could. There are just too many feasible options that would allow you to do so, yet you just complain complain complain. You ae unwilling to pursue any oppourtunities and rather remain bitter. I don't think you really want it bad enough anyways.

Personally, with your attitude which I recognize from these boards, it is best you remain outside of the flightdeck. Your attitude is poor, disgruntled and seemingly closed-minded.

While we do not always agree Amish, I agree with you on this one.

 

[Flying Ninja]

Amish,

We're not going to do this again are we? I know what my money situation is and what can and can't be done. Spare me your idealogical crap. I've already stated countless times that I'm not pursuing an aviation career. Why do you people seem to think I'm still going after it? And I really don't care if you feel bad for me or not. My whole intent is to be an example of what might happen to you if you go to CAPT. That's it. Plain and simple. I'm not asking anyone to rescue me or give me a solution. I never asked for any of you people's help. So once again, don't read my plight as a cry for help. I'm putting myself out there for others to see as an example of what CAPT might do to you if you go there. It's just that simple. You really don't remember a thing without a checklist huh Amish?

 

[flyboyike]

If Flying Ninja's main point is that this industry isn't for everyone, whether from the financial standpoint or otherwise, I don't think that's any great discovery. I also don't think that anyone would argue with that.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Some people in life prefer to focus on problems and how insurmountable they are, while others focus on finding solutions and challenge adversity head-on.


There are 3 types of people in this world.

Those make things happen.

Those who watch things happen.

And those who wonder what the F**K happened.



Also, somehow I think you didn't do so well in your limited time in aviation and to save face, you blame this CAPT program on your shortcomings. When friends and family ask why you haven't made it up front, you can easily use CAPT as a scapegoat. Call me crazy, but I'm willing to bet there are several CAPT cadidates that have successfully benefitted from this program (as asinine as it may be) and are doing things with it.

If you were really determined to make it in this tough field, you would have marched right past adversity and done things to further your career aspirations (when they could be called that - as you claim now, you have no desire any more). You've got everything short of the CFI's. Go brush up on your skills with a home PC sim and read the hell out of those FAA publications in your spare time. Take all the CFI writtens too. Go out to the airport and fly safty pilot, or just tag along in the back. A CFI program can be had for a couple of thousand dollars. Savethis up during the course of the next few months. Work some extra jobs. Alll you would need is a few thousand to get the ticket. From there, you could CFI and work other jobs on the side or vice versa.

You need to change your mindset.

 

[Flying Ninja]

I never said I was this elite pilot. Did I try? Absolutely. Did I approach CAPT when I ran into problems? Absolutely. What did they do? Marginally interested in teaching me, much more intrested in wasting my time and money in letting me figure it out. Great teaching methodology there. As far as my training is concerned, I graduated "summa cum laude"...whatever that means. Suffice to say someone at CAPT thought I demonstrated enough skill to be graduating with high honors. Maybe they lied to me? If so, I wouldn't be surprised.

As for success stories at CAPT, several people have won the lottery here and there too. Which is to say regardless of the odds or the game, there will always be some people that will get lucky. It has nothing to do with CAPT being a great program.

I'm not arguing with you about my mindset. I know my attitude sucks. But it wasn't like this before CAPT. I was enthusiastic as hell about aviation and trusted CAPT to deliver their promises on those glossy ads and behind closed doors chit chats. I know I'm a broken bird. Which is why I've stopped pursuing aviation because I know I'll be dangerous out there in the real world. But that doesn't mean I can't advise people to avoid CAPT. I'd hate to see others fall into the hole I ended up with after CAPT. Trust me, this hole sucks, and I'd hate to have company.

At least I can say this...I'm starting to fly the hell out of Flight Simulator X and getting compliments on my landings from ATC players. I feel great that my $100K has given me the exceptional approaches and landings in a game.

The money that I make now is to pay off this debt so that I don't have to wake up everday feeling like someone kicked me in the nuts. And I'm also putting away money so that in case I lose my job, I don't have to worry about Joey and Tony coming to my door to break my legs. I'm doing the best I can with what I got. And I have been trying to do the CFI thing, but studying for something that constantly reminds me of my aviation failure doesn't help. As for playing safety pilot, I've put myself out there. Do you know how many people here in my area want safety pilots? NONE. I've even gone online to pilotsharetheride.com to see about that. I've contacted a couple of outfits for towing banners. I've even looked into flying jumpers at drop zones...they all want more experience and more time because the equipment they fly, I have no experience with. With the amount of money I owe each month, there is NO way I can do that (CFI) full time and make my monthly loan payments...even with a part time job. I've done the math...over and over and over again to the point I feel like puking or going back down to FL to beat the living sh!t out of somebody. Neither is productive and one will definitely land me in a cell block. So I warn people about CAPT.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

As for success stories at CAPT, several people have won the lottery here and there too. Which is to say regardless of the odds or the game, there will always be some people that will get lucky. It has nothing to do with CAPT being a great program.

Luck favors those who are prepared.

Dude, you're way too pessimistic. Really. This obsession with CAPT is unhealthy and only hurts you psychologically. You need to learn from this and move on. I understand your desire to inform others of their questionable program, but you've more than done that at this point. Anyone contemplating this place will hopefully do a search of it and found all you critiqued of it and make a decision from there. It may actually be a good fit for others, mind you. But continuously posting this will only remind you of your failings there and keep you bitter. Let it go and move on for your own sanity. Trust me. You're letting this eat you up inside.

 

[Flying Ninja]

It's already eaten me up. This war isn't over until CAPT goes out of business or I'm dead.

 

[timeoff]

This is easy. Are your loans federal or private?

 

[siucavflight]

Who would really want to go to Eagle anyway? I mean, good company, but 5-7 years to upgrade? No thanks.

-Goose

I guess that you are forgetting that AA is recalling, and we are going to be losing 190 captains in the next two years, and a new hire is now going to be facing a 2-4 year upgrade. Compound that with the stability, the training, and the good contract and I would bet you that more people than you think would be wanting to go to Eagle. Much better choice than Mesa, TSA, Pinnacle, Skywest(debatable), Mesaba, and Comair.

 

[Goose Egg]

I guess that you are forgetting that AA is recalling, and we are going to be losing 190 captains in the next two years, and a new hire is now going to be facing a 2-4 year upgrade. Compound that with the stability, the training, and the good contract and I would bet you that more people than you think would be wanting to go to Eagle. Much better choice than Mesa, TSA, Pinnacle, Skywest(debatable), Mesaba, and Comair.

Good point. I actually wasn't aware of that... But I'm still not going to run to CAPT.

-Goose