Consequences for delaying a flight

[shon7]

At your airline what is the consequence for delaying a flight? Say you know that there will be 10 passengers connecting to your flight and dispatch/SOC to make an ontime departure won't let you hold for 5 minutes so these passengers can connect. You know your flight plan has you getting into your destination 30 early so you hold for the passengers by not allowing the door to be closed?

Can the company really do anything in this case?

 

[ferlo]

This isn't the pilots problem...bfd

 

[SDCFI]

You don't own that plane, the taxpayers do! Good for you for wanting to help out the pax, but if the company says go...you go. Maybe they have a compelling reason you don't know about to get going. If you stick your neck out and delay a flight for a non safety-related reason don't be surprised if it gets cut off.

 

[AngelKing]

You don't own that plane, the taxpayers do! Good for you for wanting to help out the pax, but if the company says go...you go. Maybe they have a compelling reason you don't know about to get going. If you stick your neck out and delay a flight for a non safety-related reason don't be surprised if it gets cut off.

The taxpayers?


AK

 

[atlcrashpad]

You don't own that plane, the taxpayers do! Good for you for wanting to help out the pax, but if the company says go...you go. Maybe they have a compelling reason you don't know about to get going. If you stick your neck out and delay a flight for a non safety-related reason don't be surprised if it gets cut off.

Taxpayers? WTF r u talkin' bout? Bouyyyyyyyy.... you is smokin' crak...

 

[HarryParatestes]

At your airline what is the consequence for delaying a flight? Say you know that there will be 10 passengers connecting to your flight and dispatch/SOC to make an ontime departure won't let you hold for 5 minutes so these passengers can connect. You know your flight plan has you getting into your destination 30 early so you hold for the passengers by not allowing the door to be closed?

Can the company really do anything in this case?

Consequences? My carrier post "Crew Delay" on most delayed flights and nothing is said to the crews. I guess they don't have a "Incompetent Management" code.

 

[B-atch]

The taxpayers?


AK

Dudes...Didn't anyone of you guys watch Top Gun? Even I got the joke.......

 

[oldxfr8dog]

At your airline what is the consequence for delaying a flight? Say you know that there will be 10 passengers connecting to your flight and dispatch/SOC to make an ontime departure won't let you hold for 5 minutes so these passengers can connect. You know your flight plan has you getting into your destination 30 early so you hold for the passengers by not allowing the door to be closed?

Can the company really do anything in this case?

It's happened to me. I've had many gate agents, "********************ting little bricks", to get a flight out on time. Nevermind that PAYING pax were moments away from the door.
I have always waited. I have never done a "carpet dance". We are here to move those people. They PAID to be moved. What is the big deal? Nobody's bleeding...

 

[AngelKing]

Dudes...Didn't anyone of you guys watch Top Gun? Even I got the joke.......

Uhhhh well ya, those are owned by the government. Not airliners. If it was a joke, it bombed.


Ak

 

[AA717driver]

At AA, you don't control the airplane until the door is closed (and most of the time, Dispatch thinks you NEVER control the airplane). TC

P.S.--Although that mentality may be changing. They're getting tired of being led around by the d1cks by groudpounders.

 

[onionluvr]

Uhhhh well ya, those are owned by the government. Not airliners. If it was a joke, it bombed.


Ak

I chuckled a bit. It definitely did not bomb, you're just too serious.

 

[crashpad]

JESUS, I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START. I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MANY LIMP-D1CKED, PANTY-WEARING AIRLINE PILOTS ON ONE THREAD.



AA717driverAt AA:
you don't control the airplane until the door is closed (and most of the time, Dispatch thinks you NEVER control the airplane).
P.S.--Although that mentality may be changing. They're getting tired of being led around by the d1cks by groudpounders.

I hope to never be on youR plane when a command decision must be made.
"The engines on fire, what should I do? The door's still open, call Dispatch and find out what they did with my nuts."

Here's a novel concept: You be in charge when you check in and alleviate some of the decision making from those overworked, $7.00/hr high school grads.



SDCFI:
You don't own that plane, the taxpayers do! Good for you for wanting to help out the pax, but if the company says go...you go. Maybe they have a compelling reason you don't know about to get going. If you stick your neck out and delay a flight for a non safety-related reason don't be surprised if it gets cut off.


Guess that's not all that gets cut off, huh Shirley? I'd bet big money you let Dispatch decide your alternate for you, too.



ferlo:
This isn't the pilots problem...bfd

Are you really "ferloed"? Gee, I wonder why? Too bad, so sad. Boo-hoo for you.



AND YOU WONDER WHY NOONE RESPECTS YOU ANYMORE?
NOBODY TELLS THE CAPTAIN WHAT TO DO! NOT GATE AGENTS, NOT DISPATCH, NOT MID-LEVEL MANAGERS, NOT THE CEO, NOT EVEN GOD!
FROM THE MOMENT YOU SHOW YOUR PRETTY FACE, YOUR KILLER "HEY THERE" SMILE WITH THOSE SHINEY ROCKPORTS, YOU BETTER BE THE ONE IN CHARGE!

 

[Citrus531]

I always like hearing the few pilots who think they know not only how to fly the airplane but also are well skilled in everything else pertaining to the flight like holds for pax, gate assignments, a/c swaps, mx delays, etc, etc

We strictly have a set group of people in our ops at FL that look at connections and nothing but connections...they call the pax movement person in SOC to confirm holds and then a decision is made....early afternoon holds are rare b/c you make that airplane late at 3 or 4 pm then it comes back late to ATL causing more issues on our big push at 9:00pm...we're not perfect but we have a goal each night we try to meet...

717 Capt last week wanted to hold for 2 pax(yes 2) despite the fact that 115 others were already on board and the plane carrying those two pax hadn't even hit the outer marker yet with dept time in 5 min. And boy was he firm..."I'm NOT LEAVING until they are taken care of!" He left 5 min later and said "you better not put this on me!" To which I replied "why would I put a station hold on the crew? The code is either an OD (Ops decision) or SH (station hold)... the pax were put on the next MCO flight which was 1 hour later!

 

[DwayneWorthless]

Dudes...Didn't anyone of you guys watch Top Gun? Even I got the joke.......

Top Gun was a cool movie in 1986. If you are quoting Top Gun in 2007, you are a loser.

 

[crashpad]

No question you were dealing the opposite extreme of some of the above poster children. The rules airlines have in place for connects are good and serve everyone. We're talking about the 'runnners', the agents too stressed to make common sense decisions and yes, sometimes dispatch.
I had one dispatcher tell me to 'get going' because he was going to miss his holiday bash. I said 'no' and he reported me. I was commended and he was fired.

 

[Citrus531]

Wow...get going all b/c of a party...unreal! Yeah sometimes the agents are not well skilled in quick decision making. I try to tell them that once in a while if we're not available to make a call to supervisor or examine the situation, talk to crew, the ramp supe, whoever and do something...I think you're right..they're overstressed and don't understand things....nor do they know what PIC really means

 

[crashpad]

I Hope You Buy Us Next, It'll Be A Pleasure Working With You.

 

[swa737-700]

JESUS, I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START. I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MANY LIMP-D1CKED, PANTY-WEARING AIRLINE PILOTS ON ONE THREAD.



AA717driverAt AA:
you don't control the airplane until the door is closed (and most of the time, Dispatch thinks you NEVER control the airplane).
P.S.--Although that mentality may be changing. They're getting tired of being led around by the d1cks by groudpounders.

I hope to never be on youR plane when a command decision must be made.
"The engines on fire, what should I do? The door's still open, call Dispatch and find out what they did with my nuts."

Here's a novel concept: You be in charge when you check in and alleviate some of the decision making from those overworked, $7.00/hr high school grads.



AND YOU WONDER WHY NOONE RESPECTS YOU ANYMORE?
NOBODY TELLS THE CAPTAIN WHAT TO DO! NOT GATE AGENTS, NOT DISPATCH, NOT MID-LEVEL MANAGERS, NOT THE CEO, NOT EVEN GOD!
FROM THE MOMENT YOU SHOW YOUR PRETTY FACE, YOUR KILLER "HEY THERE" SMILE WITH THOSE SHINEY ROCKPORTS, YOU BETTER BE ONE 'IN-CHARGE MUTHAF&CKER' OR YOU'LL PAY FOR IT IN THE END.

Crashpad,
Get a grip. You obviously do not where aa717driver is coming from. You made his point spectacularly...although you missed it completely.

 

[fletch717]

I always like hearing the few pilots who think they know not only how to fly the airplane but also are well skilled in everything else pertaining to the flight like holds for pax, gate assignments, a/c swaps, mx delays, etc, etc

We strictly have a set group of people in our ops at FL that look at connections and nothing but connections...they call the pax movement person in SOC to confirm holds and then a decision is made....early afternoon holds are rare b/c you make that airplane late at 3 or 4 pm then it comes back late to ATL causing more issues on our big push at 9:00pm...we're not perfect but we have a goal each night we try to meet...

I always like hearing the few ops guys who think they actually know how to run an airline. For every example you give, I can cite 10 where SOC and crew scheduling get together and totally screw things up.

 

[svcta]

Make a decision and stick to it, whatever it is. But: there is probably another flight to KXXX pretty soon; we have all seen a 5 min. delay turn in to a much longer one on the other side of the leg--that is to say "sched. integrity demands that one gets while the gettin is good." Etc. etc. Sometimes, and I hate to admit it, other folks have an eye on the most accurate depiction of the bigger picture. And out times rule.

Matter of fact I had a trivial delay on departure last week lead me in to an hour of holding in to SLC. I would have beaten that funk on to the ground if I had been out on time. Bottom line:: Delays beget more delays.

 

[northstar]

JESUS, I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START. I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MANY LIMP-D1CKED, PANTY-WEARING AIRLINE PILOTS ON ONE THREAD.

Here's a novel concept: You be in charge when you check in and alleviate some of the decision making from those overworked, $7.00/hr high school grads.


Dude, that was harsh. Don't know who is running your dispatch, but we got some good people at SWA. We have highly paid people that aren't even dispatchers who watch connections all day. I got some good buddies over in dispatch that have degrees "who make 7 dollars an hour" that are cooler than most of the guys I have ever flown with.

 

[Citrus531]

"I always like hearing the few ops guys who think they actually know how to run an airline. For every example you give, I can cite 10 where SOC and crew scheduling get together and totally screw things up".[/quote]

Well 10 for every 1 seems alittle extreme...if that was the case I think we wouldn't be anywhere close to where we are now....but I agree with your statement about a few ops guys thinking they know everything...that's why I stay away from their shift! It's kinda funny how the groups mix...pilots thinking they see the big picture all the time and SOC/OPS thinking they know how to run everything. I told a buddy of mine(FL pilot) to come up on one of his 15 days off a month and earn some extra cash....he laughed and said "I don't know wanta talk to this winey pilots all day":nuts:

But seriously it can start turning into a pissing contest on certain days especially when the higher ups start getting phone calls and then call in...blah blah blah...it gets old sometimes..that's why the "other" tower is where I normally am.

 

[AA717driver]

Hey, crashpad, I was making a comment on the culture at AA.

I was a TWA capt. for 3 1/2 years prior to being laid off. I don't have to justify how I ran my cockpit to ANYONE--especially some dip$hit on a message board. TC

P.S.--Thanks swa737. You get it.

 

[Deerkiller]

I wonder sometimes.

was flying back from DEN to IAH, had (cant remember exactly) like 8 pax connecting to Buenos Aires(sp?). We were running late so we sent several ACARS msgs updating our progress and asking what gate, was flight gonna hold. Get to IAH, watched the BA flt push off the gate as we pulled into ours, two gates down.

I would wondered why they didnt wait considering we dont go to BA every hour. Felt bad for the pax, it wasnt their fault.

 

[imadumbpilot]

I wonder sometimes.

was flying back from DEN to IAH, had (cant remember exactly) like 8 pax connecting to Buenos Aires(sp?). We were running late so we sent several ACARS msgs updating our progress and asking what gate, was flight gonna hold. Get to IAH, watched the BA flt push off the gate as we pulled into ours, two gates down.

I would wondered why they didnt wait considering we dont go to BA every hour. Felt bad for the pax, it wasnt their fault.

Yeah, I remember when I was hired at CAL, they told us that the Captain had the authority to hold the flight if he saw in the flight plan he/she would make up the time enroute. Problem is, the flight crew of the outbound flight almost never knows if there are runners. Also, the culture seems to have changed since that time. It really iritates me when the gate agents want to close 5 or 10 early, even with connecting pax.