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skywdriver

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Someone was kind enough in a previous post to draft a letter to be sent to Congress in regards to the new legislation S 1300 that if signed into law would take effect within 30 days. I added a couple of things to it, and am providing a link to locate your congressman. It only takes a small amount of effort to make a call and/or put a letter into the mail. If this thing goes through, the only people that are really going to have a choice on when they retire are the people in the left seat at whatever airline they decided to stay at. All the guys wanting to move to another airline, or the guys at the majors in the right seat are going to be forced into working the extra years just to maintain their current career earnings expectations. There is a good post a month back with some numbers reflecting that. If you don't want this thing to happen, or at least if you want it to really be considered properly instead of expediting it through Congress so a small percentage can make more money despite the fact that they got into the left seat in the place of others that had retired before them, time to do something about it. And it appears that an ALPA vote against it wasn't enough to make the statement.

Here is the link:

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/dbq/officials/

Dear Senator:

The current FAA Authorization Bill, S1300, has emerged from committee containing a provision (SEC. 706) to change the FAA’s mandatory retirement age from 60 to 65. The FAA is currently studying this issue through its Notice for Proposed Rule Making (NPRM) process and was eventually going to make an educated judgment whether to change the rule within the next one to two years. It is essential and proper that the NPRM process be allowed to proceed without being circumnavigated by this “fast track” piece of legislation. This will allow time for safety studies and public comment, instead of pushing the political and financial agendas of what is primarily a group of airline pilots who are nearing age 60 and want to quickly extend their most profitable earnings years. This is a Federal Aviation Regulation issue, not a Congressional issue, and I request that you ensure that the issue receives proper consideration through the FAA’s NPRM rather than buried deep within an authorization bill. In addition, regarding the argument of safety there are several key points worth noting. First, there is a provision in the bill that would prevent two pilots both over the age of 60 from working together in the flight deck. Doesn’t this very clause admit that there is some safety concern in changing the rule? How can you assure the general public that this legislative change is safe and at the same time prohibit two “safe” pilots from working together? Secondly, it is a widely accepted fact that enjoying a career as a professional pilot comes with many associated health risks; some of which include exposure to radiation for long periods of time at altitude, exposure to harmful UV rays, and constant disruption of natural circadian rhythms. Is it unfortunate that there has been little specific research on the ultimate effect of these hazards. However, I think it is reasonable to assume that with age, there is an exponential increase in the resulting negative health effects. With that in mind, I feel that at this point in time, there is a potential safety issue not only for the public, but also for the pilots. Once again, emphasis should be placed on the importance of allowing for a thorough process of information gathering rather than expediting the process for the benefit of a very minute percentage of the population. I strongly believe that a legislative change of this magnitude, that will certainly affect millions of Americans, should not be wrapped up in an Authorization Bill.


Thank you for your time.
 
I think that it is fine for congress to push this one for the following reasons.

1) The FAA has been ignoring this issue for years and had been bullied into inaction by ALPA.

2) The studies have been done by the nations of the EU. The demographics are not significantly different and there is no reason to duplicate their efforts.

3) How can we trust the FAA to do the right thing here in this instance in the face of pressure from ALPA, NWA and others when they will not act on safety issues that the NTSB and NASA have studied such as rest and duty times?
 
Someone was kind enough in a previous post to draft a letter to be sent to Congress in regards to the new legislation S 1300 that if signed into law would take effect within 30 days. I added a couple of things to it, and am providing a link to locate your congressman. It only takes a small amount of effort to make a call and/or put a letter into the mail. If this thing goes through, the only people that are really going to have a choice on when they retire are the people in the left seat at whatever airline they decided to stay at. All the guys wanting to move to another airline, or the guys at the majors in the right seat are going to be forced into working the extra years just to maintain their current career earnings expectations. There is a good post a month back with some numbers reflecting that. If you don't want this thing to happen, or at least if you want it to really be considered properly instead of expediting it through Congress so a small percentage can make more money despite the fact that they got into the left seat in the place of others that had retired before them, time to do something about it. And it appears that an ALPA vote against it wasn't enough to make the statement.

Here is the link:

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/dbq/officials/

Dear Senator:

The current FAA Authorization Bill, S1300, has emerged from committee containing a provision (SEC. 706) to change the FAA’s mandatory retirement age from 60 to 65. The FAA is currently studying this issue through its Notice for Proposed Rule Making (NPRM) process and was eventually going to make an educated judgment whether to change the rule within the next one to two years. It is essential and proper that the NPRM process be allowed to proceed without being circumnavigated by this “fast track” piece of legislation. This will allow time for safety studies and public comment, instead of pushing the political and financial agendas of what is primarily a group of airline pilots who are nearing age 60 and want to quickly extend their most profitable earnings years. This is a Federal Aviation Regulation issue, not a Congressional issue, and I request that you ensure that the issue receives proper consideration through the FAA’s NPRM rather than buried deep within an authorization bill. In addition, regarding the argument of safety there are several key points worth noting. First, there is a provision in the bill that would prevent two pilots both over the age of 60 from working together in the flight deck. Doesn’t this very clause admit that there is some safety concern in changing the rule? How can you assure the general public that this legislative change is safe and at the same time prohibit two “safe” pilots from working together? Secondly, it is a widely accepted fact that enjoying a career as a professional pilot comes with many associated health risks; some of which include exposure to radiation for long periods of time at altitude, exposure to harmful UV rays, and constant disruption of natural circadian rhythms. Is it unfortunate that there has been little specific research on the ultimate effect of these hazards. However, I think it is reasonable to assume that with age, there is an exponential increase in the resulting negative health effects. With that in mind, I feel that at this point in time, there is a potential safety issue not only for the public, but also for the pilots. Once again, emphasis should be placed on the importance of allowing for a thorough process of information gathering rather than expediting the process for the benefit of a very minute percentage of the population. I strongly believe that a legislative change of this magnitude, that will certainly affect millions of Americans, should not be wrapped up in an Authorization Bill.

Thank you for your time.

You forgot to add your real intention: "It appears that if this bill is passed, it may delay my career advancement in the short term. Afterall, it's really all about me!"
 
I recently got a letter from one of my senators because he knows of my interest in the legislation. He included a letter that he and a dozen other senators wrote to the FAA urging them to assist in the passage of S1300. He is one of the co-sponsors for which I have expressed my appreciation.
 
You forgot to add your real intention: "It appears that if this bill is passed, it may delay my career advancement in the short term. Afterall, it's really all about me!"


and of course people who want the change are really looking out for all of us. They, of course, are not self serving sob's at all.
 
You forgot to add your real intention: "It appears that if this bill is passed, it may delay my career advancement in the short term. Afterall, it's really all about me!"

You might feel that way too buddy if you were a 6 year regional fo about to have to wait another 5 years to upgrade. Those who benefit from this rulemaking change are those who caused the problem.
 
You forgot to add your real intention: "It appears that if this bill is passed, it may delay my career advancement in the short term. Afterall, it's really all about me!"

Look, it is very very simple. This is all about the guys on the top. Even if I don't want to work past 60, I will be forced to just to make up for lost earnings. The only choice to work past 60 is for the guys who have already seen a benefit in the retirements that put them in their seats. So who is selfish in this whole deal? I am only asking that I be given the same chance of advancement as they were given. This whole career is a coaster ride, and that is what they signed up for from day one. For those who have to end their careers on the down cycle, that is unfortunate. However, I don't see any reason why I should have to subsidize their bad luck. Who is to say how things will be when I want to retire, and I surely have enough respect for the next generation of pilots to not expect them to suffer for my bad luck. So, please think about the situation as a whole before you start to decide who is selfish in this whole deal. Also, how about sending me your bank account information, so that if things don't turn out for me in my career, I can ask you for money. You seem so giving in that sense.
 
Huh, the senior pilots at US Air caused the problem that got their defined benifits cut by 66%...yeah, right!

You need to grow the hell up and look at the long term. You aren't going to have defined benifits and you are not ever going to make Pan Am wages and you'll likely live ten years longer than those guys have. It's never going to get back where it was and like as not it's going to be a down cycle when it's your time to go.

You are going to need that extra five years to make up for the extra life expectancy, let alone the decrease in pay. In 30 years or whatever it will be about you, your knocked-up kid trying to go through college and all that crap you can't even concieve of yet! You'll be crying that they should raise it to 70!

Even better, you could get a job in some other business and make a better living and be home almost every night!
 
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i'm confused,.. how is that letter gonna HELP raise the age to 65? Its whats best, and its coming,. deal with it...
 
i'm confused,.. how is that letter gonna HELP raise the age to 65? Its whats best, and its coming,. deal with it...

No. Your right about the letter. Point is, there has been a definciency of union involvement since deregulation that has caused the need for pilots to work past age 60. And I don't know how old you are, but it came before me. So now I am paying for it as well as everyone else. It sucks that they lost their pensions, it sucks that bankruptcy judges rule in favor of the management. Everyone is so down about unions, but they fail to realize that this very attitude is why we are in our current situation.
 
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You forgot to add your real intention: "It appears that if this bill is passed, it may delay my career advancement in the short term. Afterall, it's really all about me!"

You forgot to add YOUR real intention: "It appears that If this bill doesn't pass, myself and/or my buddies may retire before it passes, and we can't afford to since we haven't saved properly for it. After all, it's really all about us".
 

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