Congratulations Chautauqua

[RegionalFA]

I find it amazing that a simple post congratulating the employees of a company for a little recognition is quickly turned into a pissing contest.

and FA's are supposedly the "catty" ones. If the world only knew...

 

[low-key]

Regional FA, every post on here turns into a pissing contest or quickly gets off topic on what the thread was started for or you can go with the third option where that little four letter word shows up.... mesa, and then it just goes from there.

Congrats to the CHQ guys and gals on the award, rock on.

 

[Palerider957]

I find it amazing that a simple post congratulating the employees of a company for a little recognition is quickly turned into a pissing contest.

and FA's are supposedly the "catty" ones. If the world only knew...

The difference is when pilots close the cockpit door, they can actually work as a team. I've seen FA's nearly get into a cat fight over who will do announcements.

I am AMAZED how many FA's won't work the larger RJ's (with more than one FA) because they "hate working with another girl."

 

[kepjet]

You might want to consider another conclusion to your previous assertions:

First of all, taking it on the chin now with the expectation that three years you will CONTINUE to make improvements is fallacious. All it shows management is that in three years, you will cave in again, after all, you did it once before.

Second of all, blaming an inability to raise the bar due to the economy overlooks one simple fact, it is not pilot solidarity that is affected. It is management's bargaining strength that is weakened. 9/11 made every airline desperate to deal.

Sorry if that seems like chest beating. We're not the REGIONAL AIRLINE OF THE YEAR, you are. How 'bout acting like it?.

I don't think we "took it on the chin" as much as you seem to believe. We made major improvements in nearly all aspects of our labor agreement. Is that caving in? Did we lower "the bar"?

I have a great deal of respect and gratitude for what CMR pilots did for 89 days. I am friends with several of the 86 pilots in training who were 86'ed during the strike. I also contributed to your strike fund. I still have my "Get Real" stickers.

However, I am still of the belief that the compensation section of your labor agreement would not be possible in a post 9/11 environment. I suppose we could argue that point forever.

We made great strides with our contract and we will do it again in 3 1/2 years. Will we surpass your level of compensation? I hope so. Then I hope you pass ours.

Please remember, we did not take pay cuts or pay freezes with our contract. We received pay increases. In some cases, significant. We still do not have junior manning. We also killed an alter-ego carrier.

Act like it? I believe we are.

 

[P38JLightning]

RAA koolaid

>>However, I am still of the belief that the compensation section of your labor agreement would not be possible in a post 9/11 environment. I suppose we could argue that point forever.<<


kepjet,

In this "post 9/11" world of doom, gloom and record management parachutes, how is it that poor, pitiful, Comair/Delta management with the overpaid top of the industry pilots is still around 50% more profitable than Jet Blue and about 80% more profitable than Air Tran?

Just admit you settled for "Comair minus" so you could underbid us and get some DCI growth. Its Okay. Everyone knows it, including your managers. Was it a bad idea on your part? Probably not, as you are about to get another dozen (or two) RFP jets (announcement to come shortly). 18 month upgrades for everyone! Congrats.

But lay off the pro management bile about how our pay rates are out of reach in this "post 9/11 world". You could have gotten more but chose not to in order to go for big time growth. It has nothing to do with 9/11.

 

[TWAER]

Whatever what you want to keep telling yourself buddy. You almost sound convincing... Almost.

 

[kepjet]

Re: RAA koolaid

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kepjet,

In this "post 9/11" world of doom, gloom and record management parachutes, how is it that poor, pitiful, Comair/Delta management with the overpaid top of the industry pilots is still around 50% more profitable than Jet Blue and about 80% more profitable than Air Tran?

Just admit you settled for "Comair minus" so you could underbid us and get some DCI growth. Its Okay. Everyone knows it, including your managers. Was it a bad idea on your part? Probably not, as you are about to get another dozen (or two) RFP jets (announcement to come shortly). 18 month upgrades for everyone! Congrats.

But lay off the pro management bile about how our pay rates are out of reach in this "post 9/11 world". You could have gotten more but chose not to in order to go for big time growth. It has nothing to do with 9/11.

If we "settled" on anything it was the best contract signed since 9/11, with the best work rules. As for underbidding, we weren't aware of any bidding at all until about 6 weeks after our TA.

During our negotiations, every time compensation came up, so did Republic. We had to stop Republic. We did.

If "Regional Randy" had thought up something like Republic, who knows what you would have "settled" on?

I would have loved to have your pay scale, but not at the expense of seeing my job go to Republic.

 

[FlyComAirJets]

Kepjet, imagine for moment, that I stole your car. Then, I call you up offering to sell it back to you at a good price. What kind of deal is that? That is what your management did with Republic and that is what they will keep doing every time you meet them at the bargaining table. Management weasels their way around every working agreement, it's their right. And so, thanks to your management, THAT'S why Chautauqua is REGIONAL AIRLINE OF THE YEAR!

The legacy of the Comair strike seems lost on many. Oops, sorry, you are all tired about hearing about it. Mesaba has Big Sky to deal with. We had all of DCI and you guys, the REGIONAL AIRLINE OF THE YEAR!

Management looks around, sees what their bretheren are doing, and then do it BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN. And our fine union, the Air Line Pilots Association, frequently has an involvement in these alter ego carriers AND SIGN OFF ON IT! Where do you think Jets4Jobs came from? Amazing.

No doubt, your new contract was an improvement over the old one but does it raise the bar for the industry as a whole or does it merely enrich yourself? But hey, if we really looked out for one another we all wouldn't be in this position. Look for us to return the favor.

 

[Skull-Two]

Nobody has the b*lls to raise any bars. In this environment I wonder if Comair would either...

 

[nimtz]

Nobody has the b*lls to raise any bars. In this environment I wonder if Comair would either...

I can vouche for my airline and pilot group as being willing to raise the bar. Don't know if its a question of cojones size or the simple fact that we are willing (as was Comair) to realize proper pay for the work we do. If mediation gives us a CHQ like contract you can be sure it would be used as toliet paper with much glee by our group. You guys that are still treating the regionals as a simple stepping stone are f*cking morons! "Hey we improved on nearly every section" don't cut it in this profession.

 

[NoName]

actually i dont think you can "vouche" for your pilot group, unless you hold 100% of the vote or something. There has been alot of talk and thats all it is until its signed. So please, until every other airline has tried their own hand at a new contract post 9-11, dont talk, just do.

 

[nimtz]

actually i dont think you can "vouche" for your pilot group, unless you hold 100% of the vote or something. There has been alot of talk and thats all it is until its signed. So please, until every other airline has tried their own hand at a new contract post 9-11, dont talk, just do.

My smack is very limited compared to the more radical elements at my airline. I can talk all I want about the fact that we have CAL by the b*lls when it comes to jet service. Are we going to get 100/hour; well that's way the out of the scope of what I'm saying. However, are we going to get something good enough where I won't have to explain my vote by stating 'at least we improved on nearly every section.' I'll guarentee that. In that regard I will keep talking. I heard the words out of Gordo's mouth long ago that in management's opinon we are worth Comair +1. I won't talk smack about revolutionizing the industry, but I will say that our contract will put an end to the bs excuse that 9/11 changed everything!

 

[NoName]

good, you guys oughta and should get that. youre right you do have cal by the cajones. there is no one else to fill the gap like at everyother airline out there.

 

[brew3departure]

I've said it before and I say again...

Nimitz et al.,

I truly do hope you guys at XJT get an industry leading contract. And if by some small chance you don't, be prepared for a firestorm. Many of you on this board have levied nothing but insults and "We're better than you, just wait till our contract..." Thanks to all that rhetoric, many are watching, and some oout there hope you fall flat on your face.

Best of luck, but until it's done, signed, sealed and delievered -- like your counterpart said a few posts ago, I'd keep my mouth shut.

-brew3

 

[RegionalFA]

Re: I've said it before and I say again...

Nimitz et al.,

I truly do hope you guys at XJT get an industry leading contract. And if by some small chance you don't, be prepared for a firestorm. Many of you on this board have levied nothing but insults and "We're better than you, just wait till our contract..." Thanks to all that rhetoric, many are watching, and some oout there hope you fall flat on your face.

Best of luck, but until it's done, signed, sealed and delievered -- like your counterpart said a few posts ago, I'd keep my mouth shut.

-brew3

well said.

 

[nimtz]

Re: I've said it before and I say again...

Nimitz et al.,

I truly do hope you guys at XJT get an industry leading contract. And if by some small chance you don't, be prepared for a firestorm. Many of you on this board have levied nothing but insults and "We're better than you, just wait till our contract..." Thanks to all that rhetoric, many are watching, and some oout there hope you fall flat on your face.

Best of luck, but until it's done, signed, sealed and delievered -- like your counterpart said a few posts ago, I'd keep my mouth shut.

-brew3

I totally agree with you. Alot of our guys have run their mouths for a long time about how great we are going to do without perhaps considering the long road we have to go down to even get what we deserve. I don't care for alot of the trash talking and you can go back and see that in some of my previous posts.

I have a problem with Skull suggesting that no has the 'b*lls' to get what is deserved when in fact just last weekend our guys we're picketing at IAH when the Super Bowl crowds were coming/going. I don't necessairly think anything 'revolutionary' is going to come out of what we do, but I'm 100% confident it will stop the bs that management forced down the throats of the guys at AWAC, CHQ, MESA, MESABA, etc...

Irregardless we will get flamed from the peanut gallery no matter how good our contract might be. I remember this board after the Comair accepted their deal in '01. Many individuals sh!t all over the Comair guys for accepting what they called a substandard contract. Ironic that some of these people levying the insults went on to both accept inferior contracts and show no where near the willingness to go on strike as Comair did. You all should be hoping for the best from us, just as I will be 100% backing the Pinnacle guys when they step up after us.