Confessions of a Union Buster

[G4dude]

But they can not give you job security, and they breed off of this fear of management which you manifest. Anyone can have a union if they want, I could care less, but the union promises are hollow is the face of economic reality and owners desires. And anyone who sees thme as the second coming has probably not been in a union.

You are obviously a Management Stooge. You only care about yourself, and you take delight in grinding in the faces of widows and orphans. What a horrible person you are.

 

[BentOver]

But they can not give you job security, and they breed off of this fear of management which you manifest. Anyone can have a union if they want, I could care less, but the union promises are hollow is the face of economic reality and owners desires. And anyone who sees thme as the second coming has probably not been in a union.

Nobody is asking for 100% job protection. Even the furloughed know there is very little that can be done. But make no mistake, if management had free reign over pay, schedule, 401(k) etc.. NJA pilots would be in very bad shape right now, along with the rest of the non-unionized industry. (Take a look at JetBlue, they get the raw end of a lot of deals. One of the worst medical programs, sub-standard retirement, and lower than average wages.

Do you think it was out of kindness that Sokol suspended the 401(k) matching for non-union employees but left the pilots alone? Do you think NJA pilots would still be getting to stay in nice hotels, get crew meals that are atleast edible, keep reward/airline points, not have to drive a rental all over the state of California, still have the highest industry pay...

That would have all vanished and NJA would have sucked to work for once again.

 

[CA1900]

Not to mention that Sokol would have furloughed directly from the fleets in disposal, without regard to seniority.

 

[pilotyip]

You are obviously a Management Stooge. You only care about yourself, and you take delight in grinding in the faces of widows and orphans. What a horrible person you are.

That is me scrooge, the ghosts of Christmas pasts will be haunting me this weekend.

 

[imacdog]

Not to mention that Sokol would have furloughed directly from the fleets in disposal, without regard to seniority.

You mean like how USA Jet did?

 

[pilotyip]

You mean like how USA Jet did?

Of course as opposed to Zantop where all pilots under an IBT contract were laid off in seniority on the same day. Then the ones who would accept a IBT union contract where a L-188 Captain was paid less pay and less days off than a JUS DA-20 Captain were offered their jobs back. Is that the kind of union contract we are talking about?

 

[BentOver]

Of course as opposed to Zantop where all pilots under an IBT contract were laid off in seniority on the same day. Then the ones who would accept a IBT union contract where a L-188 Captain was paid less pay and less days off than a JUS DA-20 Captain were offered their jobs back. Is that the kind of union contract we are talking about?

Wow, Zantop ..really.. You're comparing a company like Zantop to other Unions like NJASAP?..BTW who the hell is Zantop? Ya need to set your sights a bit higher..

 

[pilotyip]

Wow, Zantop ..really.. You're comparing a company like Zantop to other Unions like NJASAP?..BTW who the hell is Zantop? Ya need to set your sights a bit higher..

Zantop, KYIP on-demand cargo, represented by IBT 747, only relating my union expereince. Real pilots know all about Zantop, a legend in the industry, the source of many of the major pilots, and a bunch of great guys who still stay in touch. I was lucky to work there and wish I could have retired from there flying my favorite airplane.

 

[imacdog]

YIP you really need to do a better job comparing the NJA pilot contract with other s-hole operators at YIP. . The company can't just decide to change the payrates, ya idiot.

 

[BentOver]

Zantop, KYIP on-demand cargo, represented by IBT 747, only relating my union expereince. Real pilots know all about Zantop, a legend in the industry, the source of many of the major pilots, and a bunch of great guys who still stay in touch. I was lucky to work there and wish I could have retired from there flying my favorite airplane.

Ahh I see, and all along I thought it was a prescription for a really inflamed case of internal hemoroids..... Every flippin company who operated in the past 30 years has been the source of many major airline pilots.... Hell even Gulfstream International has legacy guys..... Same with Great Lakes.

I don't have favorite airplanes, or dream of flying into the wild blue yonder in my DC-3.. I want to get paid and treated correctly. I don't want to kick the tires, light the fires and smoke with a bunch of guys on the ramp. I want to know that some 40 yr. old lawyers son, won't fu$k up a job because he's a idiot who looks like he should be a greeter at Walmart. If the "plan", sales, profits aren't working out, or if WB doesn't like it, Hansell and Co. will be gone and replaced long before many pilots at Netjets retire. Furloughees included. That is why I like my Union and my contract. Long after Hansell is gone, I, and many many pilots, will be still working under a fine set of work rules that weren't fuc%ed by some kid barely able to wipe his own nose.

Even if WB has a differnet smaller plan for NJA. Atleast I can hold my head up high and be proud of what I(we) were able to accomplish in our short time at NJA. But make no mistake, I'm young enough and healthy enough that eventually attrition will run it's course. And I enjoy the fact that even in 10-15 years when my number is called again, and assuming I haven't gone a different direction, I'll be able to come back to a place with a very nice set of work rules.