Concorde Makes Emergency Landing...

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Concorde Makes Emergency Landing in Canada

Reuters
Wednesday, February 19, 2003; 12:34 PM

HALIFAX, Nova Scotia (Reuters) - An Air France Concorde carrying 56 people to New York from Paris landed safely in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Wednesday after one of the supersonic aircraft's engines malfunctioned, the French national airline and the Canadian Coast Guard said.

"The plane landed safely in Halifax.... There has been no request for assistance," said Coast Guard spokesman Harvey Vardy at the Rescue Co-ordination Center in Halifax.

Air France said in a statement from Paris that Flight AF002 had 47 passengers and nine crew on board. It said that "all passengers were being rerouted to their final destinations with the least possible delay."

A company spokesman declined to give further details.

Vardy said the Concorde was en route to New York's John F. Kennedy airport Wednesday morning when it first reported a malfunction in one of its four engines. The No. 3 engine was shut down at the time. The Concorde later declared an emergency and asked to be diverted to Halifax on Canada's east coast.

Air France and British Airways both grounded the supersonic jets after an Air France Concorde crashed on take-off from Paris in July 2000, killing 113 people. An investigation concluded a burst tire had ruptured a fuel tank.

Both companies, the only ones to operate the airliner, resumed Concorde flights in November 2001 after modifications to avoid a repetition of the accident.

All 109 people, most of them German tourists, aboard flight AF4590 to New York died when it crashed in a fireball on July 25, 2000. The crash also killed four people in an airport hotel.

 

[Archer]

It's either the engines, the rudder/vertical stabilizor problems, tire problems...hydraulics, low fuel....

The Concorde is a great human achievement, a marvel...but it's time someone designed a new SST.

you can check out the past accidents of the Concorde here

http://www.concordesst.com/accident/past.html

note how similar they are...

they had burst tires from lock of breaks that caused holes to be formed the the fuel tanks...you think they would take the hint, and prevent the July 2000 crash...

Archer

 

[njcapt]

Nice to see that it's not just the US carriers that are hurting. A 47% load factor on the Concorde isn't making the frogs any money.

 

[secretapproach]

It's either the engines, the rudder/vertical stabilizor problems, tire problems...hydraulics, low fuel....
...............
you can check out the past accidents of the Concorde here

http://www.concordesst.com/accident/past.html
...............
note how similar they are...
Archer

Wow, that's really eerie. Even if I could afford to fly on the Concorde I would rather get on an Icelandair 757 to travel between the US and Europe!

 

[Britpilot]

Wow, that's really eerie. Even if I could afford to fly on the Concorde I would rather get on an Icelandair 757 to travel between the US and Europe!

Oh yes very eerie, one accident in 30 years of service.

Before you take that flight to Europe on Icelanair, you might want to research the Boeing/Airbus accident list. Lots of eeire similarities for you there.

 

[Aerosmith]

Nice to see that it's not just the US carriers that are hurting. A 47% load factor on the Concorde isn't making the frogs any money.

You must be thrilled to hear about European pilots being laid of as well!!!
How wonderfull it is that we arent the only ones hurting. Right!!??!!

Selfish bast..!

 

[njcapt]

You must be thrilled to hear about European pilots being laid of as well!!!
How wonderfull it is that we arent the only ones hurting. Right!!??!!

Selfish bast..!

You need to get a life right after you get a little perspective.

Nowhere in my post did I dance on the graves of furloughed foreign pilots. I was just commenting that apparently the high fare customer has deserted foreign carriers, as well as ours. Most of the established European carriers get liberal subsidies from their governments, this after Airbus uses their government backing to lowball Boeing with ridiculous financing offers. So, the boys who had to divert the Concorde get a leg up on US carriers at our expense. I bet EU passengers don't pay in excess of 25% of their ticket price in taxes just to fund security and other 'junk fees' to their governments, do they? Need I remind you that Air France and BA were GIVEN their fleets of Concordes when after nearly ten years of development the Limey / Frog consortium couldn't find any legitimate buyers?

While I'm on a rant... I see you have JAA as well as FAA certificates. Let me go out on a limb and predict that you got the JAA cert and came to the good 'ol US of A to find work. In my career here I have flown with pilots from Norway, Sweden, the UK, France, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Spain, and God knows where else. They came over, spent a little money transferring their certificates to FAA ones, and got hired at airlines in the States. I have yet to know personally of ONE SINGLE PILOT to get hired at a European carrier after transferring to JAA certs (one or two contract arrangements excluded). Kind of a one way deal, isn't it?

Before you brand me as another knee jerk reactionary be aware that I am normally quite centrist when it comes to international issues. Its just that when I see my chosen industry imploding due at least in part to the unfair advantages offered to foreign carriers (even some by my own government) I get a little nationalistic. It doesn't help my attitude either when I see the French - ONCE AGAIN - putting their dirty - little - secret commercial arrangements with despots ahead of global security concerns, as well. Frankly, I'm getting tired of all the emails with jokes at the expense of the French, but you have to appreciate the message they get across. I'm sure that the French UN delegates will vote against any resolution condemning Iraq by voting with both hands up.

Couldn't resist.

 

[Britpilot]

. Most of the established European carriers get liberal subsidies from their governmentsWhile I'm on a rant... I see you have JAA as well as FAA certificates. Let me go out on a limb and predict that you got the JAA cert and came to the good 'ol US of A to find work. In my career here I have flown with pilots from Norway, Sweden, the UK, France, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Spain, and God knows where else. They came over, spent a little money transferring their certificates to FAA ones, and got hired at airlines in the States. I have yet to know personally of ONE SINGLE PILOT to get hired at a European carrier after transferring to JAA certs (one or two contract arrangements excluded). Kind of a one way deal, isn't it?

The EU has a resolution that forbids govenment support of airlines by its members. However, Air france and Olympic still receive cash from their respective govenments.

I have stated this before but here goes again. An European citizen cannot just decide to come over here and work.
To work in the USA you must first obtain either premanant resident status or become a citizen neither of which is easy and both of which require conditions. Check out ins.gov for all these facts.
The same goes for European immigration, conditions and qualifications apply.
This country was founded on immigration and continues to import skilled labor and, of course, professional atheletes. If you dislike the system you can always write to your congressman.
But trust me, you don't want to live and work in Europe, way too expensive.

 

[njcapt]

I have stated this before but here goes again. An European citizen cannot just decide to come over here and work.
To work in the USA you must first obtain either premanant resident status or become a citizen neither of which is easy and both of which require conditions. Check out ins.gov for all these facts.
The same goes for European immigration, conditions and qualifications apply.
This country was founded on immigration and continues to import skilled labor and, of course, professional atheletes. If you dislike the system you can always write to your congressman.
But trust me, you don't want to live and work in Europe, way too expensive.

I don't want to work in Europe, but if I did I would never get hired by any EU based airlines, regardless of what certification I have. Seriously, have you ever met a US pilot who ended up working full time for a EU carrier (without some dual citizenship deal)? I understand the fact that a green card is needed before being able to fly for a living in the US. Prior to the 9/11 fracas in immigration, however, getting a green card wasn't as hard as it is now. With a pliant immigration rep, someone who came over to the US to 'train' and convert JAA certs could make a case for permanent resident status. Don't get me wrong, I have some good pilot friends who are resident aliens or (and I wholeheartedly applaud this) received their US citizenship, I just have a problem with the fact that we are made to compete 'evenly' with the protectionist policies in effect in Europe. And please don't patronize me by repeating the tripe that there is an EU 'rule' against subsidies for airlines. Just because it isn't a direct subsidy, doesn't mean that individual countries don't scratch the backs of their state carriers. The EU can't get all the member countries to adopt the common currency, let alone go against sixty years of protectionist tradition.

I waited six hours from reading that doofus's post before replying because I knew I needed some time to cool off. I probably fell for some cleverly executed flame bait, but I couldn't help myself.

 

[Dieterly]

I always get suprised of all the idiots out there that thinks it soooooooo easy to get a Green Card in US (even before 9/11). The ONLY way for my wife to obtain one, was to marry me. We also looked into goin over to live and work in Sweden (where she's from), the only proof we needed to show was that we actually lived together (and dated), with other words, a lot easier than getting a Green Card in US.

A big stickin point for foreigners to work for the airlines over there, is that you will have to be able to speak their language. Needless to say, SAS wasn't interested in me.

 

[Aerosmith]

. Most of the established European carriers get liberal subsidies from their governments

Those were the days, my friend! Not any more. EU laws prohibits and enforces this issue quite harshly. Need I remind you of the fate of SABENA?
OLYMPIC is next in line.

Actually Europeans are baffled by the huge SUBSUDIES provided US carriers. All sorts of loan guarantees and bailouts. This money is now beeing used to compete with NONsubsidized EU carriers on the Transatlantic routes.If United and USair had been European carriers, they would propably have been shut down by now!

Do you honestly think that Boeing is NON subsudized?

Stop the whining.

 

[Aerosmith]

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[Aerosmith]

While I'm on a rant... I see you have JAA as well as FAA certificates. Let me go out on a limb and predict that you got the JAA cert and came to the good 'ol US of A to find work. In my career here I have flown with pilots from Norway, Sweden, the UK, France, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Spain, and God knows where else. They came over, spent a little money transferring their certificates to FAA ones, and got hired at airlines in the States. I have yet to know personally of ONE SINGLE PILOT to get hired at a European carrier after transferring to JAA certs (one or two contract arrangements excluded). Kind of a one way deal, isn't it?

Actually It all started in the US. Lived, worked, payed taxes, voted for nearly 8 years. I am blessed with a dual citizenship. Then moved to Europe and got on with a Danish carrier.
I agree with you, this whole JAA thing is getting out of hand.

....and please dont me French!