brainhurts
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Originally Posted by brainhurts
Clown Boy,
I know that you can go on forever,
brainhurts, it's clear that your brain is hurting, and you've time and time strayed away from answering questions I posed to you.
Wrong.
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but everything you regurgite above has been answered already.
No it hasn't.
Yes it has
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The Muhadjeen were useful tools in a bigger war, there was no threat to America from them, the Soviets had nukes pointed at us, and if you really do not understand the relavance of the Cold War, you should ask your Muslim friends.
So supporting terrorism is ok so as long as your interests are protected. I'm not for communism, but neither am I for supporting terrorism!
Since you have never served your country, you do not understand what it takes to make war or what it takes to best position your forces. Intelligence is what saves lives. In the real world we use less than perfect assets to gain a foothold. If you do not like that, then actually go out and do something about the situation rather than type words into a computer. I have, and that is the BASIS of my opinion, not a religion class. For those of you interested in who the MEK is, here is the run down from the CFR:
What is Mujahadeen-e-Khalq?
Mujahadeen-e-Khalq (MEK) is the largest and most militant group opposed to the Islamic Republic of Iran. Also known as the People’s Mujahadeen Organization of Iran, MEK is led by husband and wife Massoud and Maryam Rajavi. MEK was added to the U.S. State Department’s list of foreign terrorist groups in 1997 and to the European Union’s terrorist list in 2002 because its attacks have often killed civilians. Despite MEK’s violent tactics, the group’s strong stand against Iran —part of President Bush’s “axis of evil”—and pro-democratic image have won it support among some U.S. and European lawmakers.
What are MEK’s origins?
MEK was founded in the 1960s by a group of college-educated Iranian leftists opposed to the country’s pro-Western ruler, Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. The group participated in the 1979 Islamic revolution that replaced the shah with a Shiite Islamist regime led by the Ayatollah Khomeini. But MEK’s ideology, a blend of Marxism and Islamism, put it at odds with the postrevolutionary government, and its original leadership was soon executed by the Khomeini regime. In 1981, the group was driven from its bases on the Iran-Iraq border and resettled in Paris , where it began supporting Iraq in its eight-year war against Khomeini’s Iran. In 1986, MEK moved its headquarters to Iraq, which used MEK to harass neighboring Iran. During the 2003 Iraq war, U.S. forces cracked down on MEK’s bases in Iraq, and in June 2003 French authorities raided a MEK compound outside Paris and arrested 160 people, including Maryam Rajavi.
Who are MEK’s leaders?
Maryam Rajavi, who hopes to become president of Iran , is MEK’s principal leader; her husband, Massoud Rajavi, heads up the group’s military forces. Maryam Rajavi, born in 1953 to an upper-middle class Iranian family, joined MEK as a student in Tehran in the early 1970s. After relocating with the group to Paris in 1981, she was elected its joint leader and later became deputy commander-in-chief of its armed wing. Experts say that MEK has increasingly come to resemble a cult that is devoted to Massoud Rajavi’s secular interpretation of the Koran and is prone to sudden, dramatic ideological shifts. After being released from police custody on bail, Maryam Rajavi was confined to the MEK compound in France , and the investigation continues. Massoud Rajavi was last known to be living in Iraq , but authorities aren’t certain of his whereabouts or whether he is alive.
Where does MEK operate?
The group’s armed unit operated from camps in Iraqnear the Iran border since 1986. During theIraq war, U.S. troops disarmed MEK and posted guards at its bases. In addition to its Paris-based members, MEK has a network of sympathizers in Europe, the United States, and Canada. The group’s political arm, the National Council of Resistance of Iran, maintains offices in several capitals, and used to have a branch in Washington, D.C. before U.S. officials closed it down in August 2003.
How big is MEK?
MEK is believed to have some 10,000 members, one-third to one-half of whom are fighters. Experts say its activities have dropped off in recent years as its membership has dwindled. MEK has had little success luring new recruits and is composed mostly of its founding members.
What major attacks has MEK been responsible for?
The group has targeted Iranian government officials and government facilities in Iran and abroad; during the 1970s, it attacked Americans in Iran. While the group says it does not intentionally target civilians, it has often risked civilian casualties. It routinely aims its attacks at government buildings in crowded cities. MEK terrorism has declined since late 2001. Incidents linked to the group include:
Me Again--So if you do not understand that our government has the duty to do whats in its best interest, I do not know what to tell you. This is the same answer I have given you before but if you need a specific answer, the answer is YES sometimes we need bad allies. And yes, that is OK.
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They seem to be the only people you talk too.
Pardon me for actually taking classes in religion to educate myself, and not just believing the radical version of Islam that's been spewed on Fox. I use whatever source I have available, and my friends from the religion classes are as good a source as any... Muslims, Christians, and Jews alike.
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You ask for the school, I give you the school.
INCORRECT. *You* said that 'they' were already demanding separate public funded government schools. Then, *you* posted an example of how a public school offered a Middle Eastern religious studies class. wtf? There is absolutely no relation between that and your initial point. There is nothign wrong with a school offering a Middle Eastern studies class.
Let the readers decide for themselves.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57500
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/04/arabic.school/
http://www.thomasmore.org/news.html?NewsID=717
I am not sure what to tell you. Why do you not see how unfair this is to Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Wiccans, Warlocks, Whatevers. I pointed out to you that Muslims are NOT integrating well. I point out why and one was a school. This is the school. It is not a middle eastern studies CLASS. It is an entire program. Another small point that you fail to mention.
Originally Posted by brainhurts
Clown Boy,
I know that you can go on forever,
brainhurts, it's clear that your brain is hurting, and you've time and time strayed away from answering questions I posed to you.
Wrong.
Quote:
but everything you regurgite above has been answered already.
No it hasn't.
Yes it has
Quote:
The Muhadjeen were useful tools in a bigger war, there was no threat to America from them, the Soviets had nukes pointed at us, and if you really do not understand the relavance of the Cold War, you should ask your Muslim friends.
So supporting terrorism is ok so as long as your interests are protected. I'm not for communism, but neither am I for supporting terrorism!
Since you have never served your country, you do not understand what it takes to make war or what it takes to best position your forces. Intelligence is what saves lives. In the real world we use less than perfect assets to gain a foothold. If you do not like that, then actually go out and do something about the situation rather than type words into a computer. I have, and that is the BASIS of my opinion, not a religion class. For those of you interested in who the MEK is, here is the run down from the CFR:
What is Mujahadeen-e-Khalq?
Mujahadeen-e-Khalq (MEK) is the largest and most militant group opposed to the Islamic Republic of Iran. Also known as the People’s Mujahadeen Organization of Iran, MEK is led by husband and wife Massoud and Maryam Rajavi. MEK was added to the U.S. State Department’s list of foreign terrorist groups in 1997 and to the European Union’s terrorist list in 2002 because its attacks have often killed civilians. Despite MEK’s violent tactics, the group’s strong stand against Iran —part of President Bush’s “axis of evil”—and pro-democratic image have won it support among some U.S. and European lawmakers.
What are MEK’s origins?
MEK was founded in the 1960s by a group of college-educated Iranian leftists opposed to the country’s pro-Western ruler, Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. The group participated in the 1979 Islamic revolution that replaced the shah with a Shiite Islamist regime led by the Ayatollah Khomeini. But MEK’s ideology, a blend of Marxism and Islamism, put it at odds with the postrevolutionary government, and its original leadership was soon executed by the Khomeini regime. In 1981, the group was driven from its bases on the Iran-Iraq border and resettled in Paris , where it began supporting Iraq in its eight-year war against Khomeini’s Iran. In 1986, MEK moved its headquarters to Iraq, which used MEK to harass neighboring Iran. During the 2003 Iraq war, U.S. forces cracked down on MEK’s bases in Iraq, and in June 2003 French authorities raided a MEK compound outside Paris and arrested 160 people, including Maryam Rajavi.
Who are MEK’s leaders?
Maryam Rajavi, who hopes to become president of Iran , is MEK’s principal leader; her husband, Massoud Rajavi, heads up the group’s military forces. Maryam Rajavi, born in 1953 to an upper-middle class Iranian family, joined MEK as a student in Tehran in the early 1970s. After relocating with the group to Paris in 1981, she was elected its joint leader and later became deputy commander-in-chief of its armed wing. Experts say that MEK has increasingly come to resemble a cult that is devoted to Massoud Rajavi’s secular interpretation of the Koran and is prone to sudden, dramatic ideological shifts. After being released from police custody on bail, Maryam Rajavi was confined to the MEK compound in France , and the investigation continues. Massoud Rajavi was last known to be living in Iraq , but authorities aren’t certain of his whereabouts or whether he is alive.
Where does MEK operate?
The group’s armed unit operated from camps in Iraqnear the Iran border since 1986. During theIraq war, U.S. troops disarmed MEK and posted guards at its bases. In addition to its Paris-based members, MEK has a network of sympathizers in Europe, the United States, and Canada. The group’s political arm, the National Council of Resistance of Iran, maintains offices in several capitals, and used to have a branch in Washington, D.C. before U.S. officials closed it down in August 2003.
How big is MEK?
MEK is believed to have some 10,000 members, one-third to one-half of whom are fighters. Experts say its activities have dropped off in recent years as its membership has dwindled. MEK has had little success luring new recruits and is composed mostly of its founding members.
What major attacks has MEK been responsible for?
The group has targeted Iranian government officials and government facilities in Iran and abroad; during the 1970s, it attacked Americans in Iran. While the group says it does not intentionally target civilians, it has often risked civilian casualties. It routinely aims its attacks at government buildings in crowded cities. MEK terrorism has declined since late 2001. Incidents linked to the group include:
- the series of mortar attacks and hit-and-run raids during 2000 and 2001 against Iranian government buildings; one of these killed Iran’s chief of staff;
- the 2000 mortar attack on President Mohammad Khatami’s palace in Tehran;
- the February 2000 “Operation Great Bahman,” during which MEK launched twelve attacks against Iran;
- the 1999 assassination of the deputy chief of Iran’s armed forces general staff, Ali Sayyad Shirazi;
- the 1998 assassination of the director of Iran’s prison system, Asadollah Lajevardi;
- the 1992 near-simultaneous attacks on Iranian embassies and institutions in 13 countries;
- assistance to Saddam Hussein’s suppression of the 1991 Iraqi Shiite and Kurdish uprisings;
- the 1981 bombing of the offices of the Islamic Republic Party and of Premier Mohammad-Javad Bahonar, which killed some seventy high-ranking Iranian officials, including President Mohammad-Ali Rajaei and Bahonar;
- support for the 1979 takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran by Iranian revolutionaries;
- the 1970s killings ofU.S. military personnel and civilians working on defense projects in Tehran.
Me Again--So if you do not understand that our government has the duty to do whats in its best interest, I do not know what to tell you. This is the same answer I have given you before but if you need a specific answer, the answer is YES sometimes we need bad allies. And yes, that is OK.
Quote:
They seem to be the only people you talk too.
Pardon me for actually taking classes in religion to educate myself, and not just believing the radical version of Islam that's been spewed on Fox. I use whatever source I have available, and my friends from the religion classes are as good a source as any... Muslims, Christians, and Jews alike.
Quote:
You ask for the school, I give you the school.
INCORRECT. *You* said that 'they' were already demanding separate public funded government schools. Then, *you* posted an example of how a public school offered a Middle Eastern religious studies class. wtf? There is absolutely no relation between that and your initial point. There is nothign wrong with a school offering a Middle Eastern studies class.
Let the readers decide for themselves.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57500
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/04/arabic.school/
http://www.thomasmore.org/news.html?NewsID=717
I am not sure what to tell you. Why do you not see how unfair this is to Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Wiccans, Warlocks, Whatevers. I pointed out to you that Muslims are NOT integrating well. I point out why and one was a school. This is the school. It is not a middle eastern studies CLASS. It is an entire program. Another small point that you fail to mention.
Me a right wing fanatic? Now that's funny!
