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208starcheck said:
Hmmm, I will reread/research to "try" to prove myself right. Not looking good right now though.

I flew cargo for a couple of years in a Metro-Pig with only a SA-227 type and a commercial. It was now until I was flying pax. in a citation that I needed my ATP.
 
Stickshaker said:
Do yourself a big favor. If you want a job, go to Citation Shares. If you want a Career, go to Netjets.
C/S has no Union and they have no protection. Working there is like playing Russian Roulette, sooner or later there going to get the big bang. Seriously, some of them know it, and the others have the koolaid and haven't come out of the closet yet to admit it.
Good luck.

What are you talking about? Protection from what? If the company is not doing so well a Union does no good at all. Look at the airlines.
 
milehigh6080 said:
I could be wrong, happens all the time, but here's how the reg reads:

Sec. 135.243 Pilot in command qualifications.

(a) No certificate holder may use a person, nor may any person
serve, as pilot in command in passenger-carrying operations--
(1) Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat
configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or
of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119
of this chapter, unless that person holds an airline transport pilot
certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if
required, an appropriate type rating for that airplane.

SA227 isn't a turbojet. And I'd imagine it's not pax carrying either.....it's probably cargo.
 
CapnVegetto said:
SA227 isn't a turbojet. And I'd imagine it's not pax carrying either.....it's probably cargo.

That has nothing to do with why I posted the reg. Look at 208Starcheck's post above mine.
 
finnjl said:
What are you talking about? Protection from what? If the company is not doing so well a Union does no good at all. Look at the airlines.
Fin,
When A company isn't doing all that well, thats when you need a union the most! Can you Imagen how much bigger the pay cuts and lost of pensions would be if there was no union at all.

Also, I'm not talking about the financial books, I'm talking about a million little things that make a big deal in life. It's called quality of life.
I could give a thousand examples but don't have time. Here are a few.

-OK guys, times are tough, starting next week you will work 8 on and 6 off. Sorry, you have no say.

- no more crew food whenever you want it, Sorry, you have no say.

-we can't afford your 401k matching anymore, Sorry, you have no say.

- I know NJA received a 40k bonus, but we don't have to give you S^*&, Sorry, you have no say.

-I know your friend at NJA has 12 sick days a year and 3 weeks vacation a year, But he also has a union.

NO more soup for you!
 
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Basically....some fractionals are beter than other.....It all depends on your personal situation.

The 5 Domiciles restriction at NetJets may not work for a person living in New England but another Fraction offering BOS as a base may be more appealing.

I can only hope NetJets' restrictive policy concerning bases increases the hiring at other Fractional with more "liveral" bases requirements.

Once again, the legacy of BB haunts us. So many qualified pilots being cast aside because they live in an undesireable location....according the NutJets.
 
milehigh6080 said:
You don't even need it then, you only need your ATP flying a turbojet with pax. If it's a freighter, you're good with a commercial and a type.


Turbine as stated below means turboprop too, not just turbojet. To say that you only need your ATP flying a turbojet is misleading. If you're a PIC, and you are flying for an "eligible on demand" carrier operating any multi-turbine (turbojet or turboprop) engined aircraft, an ATP is required.

§ 135.4 Applicability of rules for eligible on-demand operations.


(a) An “eligible on-demand operation” is an on-demand operation conducted under this part that meets the following requirements:
(1) Two-pilot crew. The flightcrew must consist of at least two qualified pilots employed or contracted by the certificate holder.
(2) Flight crew experience. The crewmembers must have met the applicable requirements of part 61 of this chapter and have the following experience and ratings:
(i) Total flight time for all pilots:
(A) Pilot in command—A minimum of 1,500 hours.
(B) Second in command—A minimum of 500 hours.
(ii) For multi-engine turbine-powered fixed-wing and powered-lift aircraft, the following FAA certification and ratings requirements:
(A) Pilot in command—Airline transport pilot and applicable type ratings.
(B) Second in command—Commercial pilot and instrument ratings.
 

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