Competitive times for LCC/Major

[pilotyip]

If you could have been hired sooner, rather than later - it's a penalty. Spin again.

You mean sooner at LLC where you make CA in about 3 years, as opposed to a major where yuu make CA in about 15 years?

 

[SpauldingSmails]

No, I mean for the same exact job. But even taking in account a 3 year upgrade, its worth running the numbers.

While yes, at present the upgrade at a major is about 15 years, it should conservatively be around 10 years for someone hired today.

Likewise, I wouldn't expect the upgrade to hold steady at 3 years for a quality LCC like Spirit either. According to APC - JetBlue is hovering around 4.5 years, Virgin 4.5-5 years, Frontier 8 years, Spirit 3 years, and finally Allegiant 2 months (great for the masochists).

When I ran the numbers given a 10 year upgrade at DAL (staying only on the 320) vs a 3 year upgrade at Spirit based on a 15 year career the numbers were very close, only about $180,000 advantage to the DAL guy, not counting 401k or other bonuses. Admittedly, that's really close spread across 15 years, 1,000 hrs pay per year.

But, if you end up somewhere that pays less than Spirit, do not upgrade within 3 years, stay longer than 15 years , or fly larger equipment at a major the gap widens and keeps growing.

 

[jonjuan]

Sending out some applications looking to see what competitive times are for LLC/Nationals. Have ATP 4400tt 1100 multi, 650 turbine PIC. Turbine time is single engine but am flying as PIC Metro now.

Wondering if single turbine will be an issue until I get some PIC Metro time.

Does Metro PIC look better than SIC in an RJ?

Thanks

C'mon man, should be too hard to "find" another 300 tpic in your logbook somewhere.

 

[Stinkbug]

I really appreciate the response and information. I have applied to Atlas, Allegiant, Spirit, Virgin, Miami Air, and will complete the app for United tonight. Don't think Jet Blue window is open right now. Going to keep trying/updating and be positive !!! Thanks Again!!!

The jetBlue application window is open today and will remain open for the next two weeks. Just FYI.

 

[ultrarunner]

... I ran the numbers given a 10 year upgrade at DAL (staying only on the 320) vs a 3 year upgrade at Spirit based on a 15 year career the numbers were very close, only about $180,000 advantage to the DAL guy, not counting 401k or other bonuses. Admittedly, that's really close spread across 15 years, 1,000 hrs pay per year.

I think the upgrade time factors more when considering an LLC, rather than at a legacy as in your example above.

At the legacy, you'll have the opportunity to make more simply by staying in your seat on a large plane.....

 

[bafanguy]

So, DL hired a 61 y/o...he's a new hire ?

A reliable source just said Delta did, in fact, hire a 61 y/o. Amazing...

 

[sniper]

There was a 50yo in my class at Spirit.

You made to spirit congrats

I thought you were gunho emirates bound

 

[Downwind]

This will hurt you with the legacies.

I can testify to that.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Try jetblue. They want guys that won't be marketable at the majors for quite awhile.

 

[$$$4nothin]

We will know in a few days for sure when the most recent system bid comes out. However if the rumors are true upgrade in the 320 is going to be less than 3.5 years and about 3 years in the 190.

 

[Baronman]

Try jetblue. They want guys that won't be marketable at the majors for quite awhile.

Mid 30's, Degree, couple thousand TPIC, no failures, good driving...Guess I wasn't marketable.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Mid 30's, Degree, couple thousand TPIC, no failures, good driving...Guess I wasn't marketable.

You sound very marketable. Maybe you should have aimed higher. Why pick the major with the lowest compensation? Are you still sending apps out like many JB pilot? will be years before a CBA.
Not trying to start an argument, just curious. Do you drive to work?

 

[pilotyip]

You sound very marketable. Maybe you should have aimed higher. Why pick the major with the lowest compensation? Are you still sending apps out like many JB pilot? will be years before a CBA.
Not trying to start an argument, just curious. Do you drive to work?

Yes, but he aimed higher and was not offered at job at a higher place. JB is not a bad place to hang out while looking for a better job. I am many friends that work there, they are not looking. Rememember it takes a flying job to get a flying job.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

JB is not a bad place to hang out while looking for a better job. I am many friends that work there, they are not looking. Rememember it takes a flying job to get a flying job.

I agree it's not a bad place to hang while job-searching, as long as you can see through the cult-like trappings.
I DO work there and believe me, many are looking. 3 left last week: 2 new-hires and an '06 hire Capt. How many at the other majors have apps in at JB?
In the end, a positive thing. When the bean counters hit the mathematical point whereby increasing compensation to retain will be more profitable than hiring and training pilots who move on, things will improve. We are just beginning negociations, but many things can be made better in the interim.
The intangible losses of the revolving door can't be calculated but they are quite significant.
:beer:

 

[flyboyike]

You made to spirit congrats

I thought you were gunho emirates bound

I don't know about "Gung-ho", but I certainly considered EK and QR very seriously. Had I not been hired at Spirit, I would have continued to pursue those opportunities.

 

[sniper]

You're not that competitive. Unless you know someone.

More competitive than any Gojet Captain

 

[sniper]

I don't know about "Gung-ho", but I certainly considered EK and QR very seriously. Had I not been hired at Spirit, I would have continued to pursue those opportunities.

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