Compass Called!!!!!!!!!!

[YourPilotFriend]

Don't feel bad for the NWA pilots on this one. They are the ones voting this POS in. (maybe). Feel bad for the XJ guys that dont deserve this bullshoot.

What is it you want exactly? Should NWA pilots keep the 76 seat scope and replace all the flying at 9E and XJ anyway? Or maybe we should just give it up and let you guys have it, either way we both lose. The TA is an industry standard competitive contract, if mainlines keep giving up more scope then we will see a round two.

 

[XJohXJ]

Do they intend to replace us with Compass and also have our company pilots fly for them? How is this any different than what the Freedom pilots did. The court document said that our Avros will be replaced with Compass aircraft. The pilots out there have to decide if they will work for an airline that is a direct assault on all XJ and NWA pilots. You will have to endure what all of the Freedom guys are still dealing with. You will forever be an unofficial "scab".
NWA pilot could have come to our union to work out a deal to fly growth jets at mesaba. How you can consider this a good move is beyond me.

You are wrong about this being an assault on NWA pilots. This company is being created by NWA management with the permission of NWA pilots. They are currently voting to give it the A-OK right now. It will only be an assault on them if they reject their TA.

 

[Smarta$$]

What is it you want exactly? Should NWA pilots keep the 76 seat scope and replace all the flying at 9E and XJ anyway? Or maybe we should just give it up and let you guys have it, either way we both lose. The TA is an industry standard competitive contract, if mainlines keep giving up more scope then we will see a round two.

Keep the flying in house. Even if it is at the reduced wages proposed. Having a fourth company in the mix only benifits NWA management. Give them their regoinal pay scale if that is what is required on these new small jets as long as it is on your current seniority list. Then you will have the opportunity to negotiate better pay when the company is profitable.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Keep the flying in house. Even if it is at the reduced wages proposed. Having a fourth company in the mix only benifits NWA management. Give them their regoinal pay scale if that is what is required on these new small jets as long as it is on your current seniority list. Then you will have the opportunity to negotiate better pay when the company is profitable.

How is that going to happen if every other regional is flying 70 seaters at regional rates?

 

[XJohXJ]

What is it you want exactly? Should NWA pilots keep the 76 seat scope and replace all the flying at 9E and XJ anyway? Or maybe we should just give it up and let you guys have it, either way we both lose. The TA is an industry standard competitive contract, if mainlines keep giving up more scope then we will see a round two.

YPF: Yes, we want you to keep 76 and even 70 and even 50 seat flying AT MAINLINE. That is exactly what we want. I am not claiming that this is possible, and I am not blaming you guys. But if you ask what we want, we want good jobs at mainline. Even if that means waiting a long time. More regionals is not good for anyone, except wealthy management pukes.

 

[XJohXJ]

Hey Rossa and any other furloughees....

Would you be willing to give the ALPA XJ MEC a call about this? Thanks....


Just another pilot....

 

[Rossa]

Guys,
I know that this is disturbing, but please don't PM me with requests to call ALPA. I have the utmost respect for XJ ALPA and the battle they are fighting, believe me I would MUCH rather go back to XJ than Compass (if this call is even legit and I were even offered anything in the future).
The fact is that as an XJ furloughee, I have less than 1 year at the company = NO PROTECTION. As much as I would love to help XJ ALPA, I am not in a position to right now. If I had more than 1 year, I'd have no problem. ALPA can't do anything without naming names, etc.
I posted to find out if this was happening to others, it was. Either this is real or someone at XJ HQ is having a good time over this.

 

[Dodge]

I believe that I predicted that XJ would yield to a new airlink awhile back. Why pay a 15 year captain, 9 year FO, and a 10 year FA when you can have all three at year numero uno?

As far as NW pilots go, this TA is about par for mainline rationale. Flying little jets for wages and workrules that represent the lift capacity of said little jet is not up to standards for a real pilot. Let the scum bags at Mesaba and Express have 'em. With this TA, the NW pilots have stated that they are still too good for those types of aircraft, pay and benefits, but it would be good for the furloughed guys.

Mainline pilots can solve the whole issue by taking back all the flying and keep it in house. Of course, that will never happen. Little planes are for furloughed and scum bag pilots.

Rossa, I'd say I was interested. Get in line early so you won't be on the bottom of that list or on the bottom of a defunct XJ list. Like someone said before, it's a job grab. Seniority is king.

 

[smokey999]

Do they intend to replace us with Compass and also have our company pilots fly for them? How is this any different than what the Freedom pilots did. The court document said that our Avros will be replaced with Compass aircraft. The pilots out there have to decide if they will work for an airline that is a direct assault on all XJ and NWA pilots. You will have to endure what all of the Freedom guys are still dealing with. You will forever be an unofficial "scab".
NWA pilot could have come to our union to work out a deal to fly growth jets at mesaba. How you can consider this a good move is beyond me.

I'm not going to go as far as saying this is completely different then Freedom and G0JETS, but it is quite a bit different. This will be a "wholly-owned" airline. NWA is forming it, with pilots' approval, not XJ, or 9E. This is so much more like the MidAtlantic deal then anything close to GJ or Freedom. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a good thing for the industry, I'm just pointing out that pilots who work for Compass will not be looked as scabs. As for GJ and Freedom, I think we all know how most people feel about them. (No I am not saying they are scabs, just scums.)

 

[profit]

Rossa,

Love your avatar.

Just call the MEC office 800-nwa-alpa and ask to speak with Jane the contract administrator. Your comments will be protected by attorney-client priviledge. If you want your name to stay secret, she will respect that.

 

[Monster Buck]

I believe that I predicted that XJ would yield to a new airlink awhile back. Why pay a 15 year captain, 9 year FO, and a 10 year FA when you can have all three at year numero uno?

YPF is a self-centered idiot and always will be. For everyone else, Dodge is right. Yes Compass is "in house" but the NUMBER 1 problem is that it strips away all the years of service in pay for the people that these "Avros" were being flown by. Rather its flown by red tail 9E, NWA, or Mesaba, its with basically new hires at new pay. Taking away all the hard years that were earned by the "red-tailers" who flew these sized ac.
Industry average doesn't mean sh1t to a pilot, YPF, when you trun 6-15 year pay into 1-2 year pay.

 

[Yudso]

Rossa,

Why don't you just ask ALPA what you should do. Don't give your name. Just don't go do anything stupid. If you need some perspective, think about goatjets. If they are the xj replacement, run.

 

[cougarx530]

Rossa,

I don't deny you were called, or what was said. I just don't believe their offer was legit, they simply asked would you "consider" it. I think they are just trying to scare us into believing this Bullsh*t. I think they do this crap just to mess with our heads. According to Fed, done deal for 36 705's (avro replacement) and Q400's coming our way, so the newest rumor has it. Good luck with Compass if thats what you choose, hopefully you won't have to decide and you and everyone else on furlough get's a recall for good reason.

 

[Prophead]

Our "leaders" are capable of this. Don't pass this off as a scare tatic. If they find a way around that scope letter they will do it without a second thought. These people have turned us into a mini NWA. It makes me sick to see what they have done to such a good group of people. They will never know what they had.
Compass is a MES and NWA battle. This will not help the current NWA pilots. Compass only make ALPA feel better because they think it helps the furloughed pilots. Really only a small percentage of them will benifit from Compass. In five years I doubt there will be any fuloughed pilots on that seniority list.

 

[Adam]

Compass will only be used as a scare tatic in the coming weeks. These people were contacted in a very public way, to only ask if they might be interested. XJ needed this propaganda to get out because thier next step is to call the union with a urgent need to meet. Then they will offer XJ this flying only if they bend over far enough. Uncle Carl's cash cow is alive and well, and he is not done making money off of XJ. Remember Uncle Carl always gets what he wants.

 

[XJohXJ]

I also combines well with MAIR's public refusal to provide DIP financing to their only profitable airline. "Let's up the pressure since the union doesn't seem to be playing along." And the scumy tactics continue.

 

[AvroGuy]

According to Fed, done deal for 36 705's (avro replacement) and Q400's coming our way, so the newest rumor has it. Good luck with Compass if thats what you choose, hopefully you won't have to decide and you and everyone else on furlough get's a recall for good reason.

Cite a source for this one. I find it a little hard to belive.

 

[SEVEN]

Compass will only be used as a scare tatic in the coming weeks. These people were contacted in a very public way, to only ask if they might be interested. XJ needed this propaganda to get out because thier next step is to call the union with a urgent need to meet. Then they will offer XJ this flying only if they bend over far enough. Uncle Carl's cash cow is alive and well, and he is not done making money off of XJ. Remember Uncle Carl always gets what he wants.

I hope you're right on this one. But I still think it depends on how the NWA pilots vote. If the TA passes, Compass might actually happen.

My prediction: NW pilots will vote in favor of the TA, Compass will happen, and Mesaba will get 70 seaters after they negotiate a piss-pore contract with management. I'll say it again and again: the senior pilots at XJ will never jepordize putting Mesaba in a position to "go under." If that means taking HUGE concessions, so be it. Sad but true. No one wants to. But if it means closing the doors, a person will do almost anything to keep seniority. Even if it means taking a 20% pay cut.

 

[regionaltard]

What is the difference?

Is is better because Northwest guys have super senioirity and you can't upgrade until everyone else who wants to, has? I'm not sure why Freedom went from public enemy #1 to an ALPA approved alter ego. I'm not sure why NWA 70, suddenly has ALPA's approval as Compass.

Alter ego is bad - period. ALPA fought so hard to eliminate B Scales, only to allow alter ego airlines competing within the brand, which is a million times worse.

NORTHWHIP AIRLNES, the latest product in the line from the fine folks who brought you Jets4Jobs and BrandScope. Clarence Sayen must be spinning in his grave at near-gyro speeds right about now.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Our "leaders" are capable of this. Don't pass this off as a scare tatic. If they find a way around that scope letter they will do it without a second thought. These people have turned us into a mini NWA. It makes me sick to see what they have done to such a good group of people. They will never know what they had.
Compass is a MES and NWA battle. This will not help the current NWA pilots. Compass only make ALPA feel better because they think it helps the furloughed pilots. Really only a small percentage of them will benifit from Compass. In five years I doubt there will be any fuloughed pilots on that seniority list.

Five ha, try 2 years.