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YGBSM said:The best thing about this industry is the lack of ego.
xtwapilot said:Resume writer, you just made my point for me. What I was trying to say is that HR's function should be only to do the background checks and other admin duties, they should never have the authority to say yes or no to an applicant, that function should only belong to the department that is hiring. And BTW, I have several friends in other professions such as doctors, business people, engineers, and every time we talk about this, they are amazed at HR's role in pilot hiring. Their respective departments don't defer their authority to HR. After all, who knows what makes a good pilot and coworker, the HR rep who has never been a pilot, or a CP or someone with piloting experience that can seperate within the first 2 minutes the BS from the truth. HR's function in the pilot hiring process should strictly be to act in an admin role, no authority to make the decision to hire. Many airlines give the HR rep an equal vote to hire or not, to me, that is simply wrong.
FlyBoeingJets said:bafanguy,
Amen.
"in '73, DL was about the size SWA is now...it was still a pretty collegial, pleasant, stable place to work. The pilot group was actually quick to espouse respect/trust/support for management, and visa versa. There was usually a bit of head-butting around contract time but it seemed more symbolic than heart-felt...But, things can sure change; it's that type and scope of change you guys need to watch out for. Once past the initial few years of your history, you haven't been in any struggles for survival and haven't been tested in that way. Maybe you'll break the mold and not have to take that test."
This above is very instructive. I hope the spirit of trust and teamwork continues forever at SWA.
Freight Dog said:.
An HR person is qualified to judge the candidate's suit, shoes, grooming, etc...
mar said:Disclaimer: I'm biased.
As some already know, my 'airline' interviews were at Cathay, Alaska and Atlas in that order.
I got hired by Atlas so naturally I think Atlas 'got it right' and here's why:
Atlas isn't just looking for pilots. They're looking for employees.
I happen to think I'm your average run of the mill pilot but I'm a pretty god dang good employee.
Who knows about Cathay? But I definitely busted the sim at Alaska. At Atlas the sim ride was more about how you brief the other guys and include them in the ride. There was very little emphasis on instrument flying. As for the interview it lasted all of 10 minutes. And apparently that's all they needed to determine if they could spend 10 hours with you.
What I'm trying to say is that if you looked at my resume (with a bunch of SA227 and DC6 time) I'm immediately excluded from the vast majority of airlines out there.
But ironically, someone out there thought I'd be an asset at a company that operates 747s.
Who would've ever thought that? Not Cathay. Not Alaska. Go figure.
Bottom line: it's their company, they make the rules. We get angry and frustrated because the stakes are high, we've sacrificed a lot and it's really competitive. But every company uses a method that provides the 'type' they seek.
Personally, I never applied to United because I knew I'd never fit in there.
I have many friends at Atlas, they're all freak shows, and I fit in. It's a good fit. So in a weird way Cathay and Alaska did me a favor. Thank you Atlas.
Cheers.