Common Seniority List (for ALL carriers)

[Falconjet]

How long ago was that?

I don't know what Mesaba is paying its FOs, but a first year 72 S/O at FedEx makes $50 per hour now. If you are making that starting at a feeder you are doing pretty well. Perhpaps that was some time ago.

FJ

 

[JimNtexas]

Why not just one airline? That would simplify everything.

We could call it AeroflotUS.

 

[michael707767]

I agree. However, I do think experience should count for something besides getting a job. I just don't think it's right if you are a 20 year or whatever pilot, get furloughed or elect to go to another company etc. and you have to start all over with pay making di$k diddly.

To offer another view though, if an airline had to bring that 20 year pilot in and immediately start paying him/her 20 year pay, what possible motivation would there be to hire that pilot? It would be far cheaper to hire a 2 year pilot, and only have to pay them 2 year pay. IMHO a single seniority list could actually work against us to the point if your airline does go under, you have a hard time getting hired since your new airline would have to honor your seniority.

 

[737tanker]

Can anyone tell me of a union in any industry that has a national senority list. Can a UAW member at Chrysler go to Ford or GM without losing senority. My Dad was a Teamster when I was a kid and I remember that his local negotiated one contract that covered all the companies in the region that delivered the same type of goods that his company did. However his senority only counted at the company he worked for and towards longevity for his Teamster's pension. In a non-union job you can use your experience to get better starting pay and conditions, but I'm not aware of any union job where you can take your senority from one company to another. All that I'm aware of is retirement rights where the national or state union controls retirement programs, such as Teamsters, teacher unions, and police.

 

[capt. megadeth]

"To offer another view though, if an airline had to bring that 20 year pilot in and immediately start paying him/her 20 year pay, what possible motivation would there be to hire that pilot? It would be far cheaper to hire a 2 year pilot, and only have to pay them 2 year pay. IMHO a single seniority list could actually work against us to the point if your airline does go under, you have a hard time getting hired since your new airline would have to honor your seniority."

I completely agree with you on that one too. That's why I said that I don't have the answer because of so many variables. I really don't agree with the single seniority list especially when that means that someone who spent X amount of years at Airline A, leaves and now I get bumped down at my airline because he/she has more "seniority" than me. Um....don't think so. I just think having to start over at $30,000 or whatever everytime a move is made is a complete bummer.
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[michael707767]

There are a lot of variables. Too many to list really. In the end though, we would have to get the airlines themselves to agree to honor a single list, and that just isn't going to happen. Nice idea in theory though.

 

[flybrowntails]

my vote is.......NO

i like our group and our union--

alpa...........NO

 

[loosecannon]

Ok, just for fun, since this will never happen.
Since there's no way to sort those of that allready have a seniority number in an equitable way, pick a date out in the future, say Jan 1 2006. After that date, anyone hired at an ALPA carrier gets an ALPA DOH. That DOH is good at any ALPA carrier. At least it would allow the next generation to have some flexibility and bring market forces to bear on pilot pay/benefits.
Again, just a thought, since none of this will ever come to be. It's late & I'm bored.