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Sunday, June 20, 2004

Comair's fate hinges on Delta
Options weighed for carrier if parent goes bust

By James Pilcher
Enquirer staff writer

As Delta Air Lines contemplates whether to seek bankruptcy, Comair keeps churning out money.

The Erlanger-based regional carrier's success, contrasted with Delta's recent miserable financial performance, raises the question of what would happen if its parent were to declare Chapter 11.

A bankruptcy could affect the more than 3,500 Comair employees at the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport, Delta's second-largest hub.

Officials at Delta and Comair won't discuss the bankruptcy question. Comair refers questions to Delta, where officials say bankruptcy remains the last option.

But experts and analysts see three likely scenarios in the event of a Delta bankruptcy:

• Comair is included in the restructuring under the Chapter 11 umbrella, since it is part of the entire Delta Air Lines Inc. corporation. Experts say this is the most likely outcome in the event of a Delta bankruptcy, which raises the possibility of Comair restructuring its labor contracts, most notably with its pilots - who went on a three-month strike in 2001.

• Comair is spun off either as a privately held or publicly traded company. It essentially would be sold to raise cash for Delta.

• Delta retains Comair and its other subsidiaries but does not include the smaller airlines in the restructuring. That could lead to some interesting situations, such as Delta pension fund managers looking to raid Comair's assets.

Comair and Delta officials also would not comment on Comair's financial information. All large airlines are required by federal regulation to submit financial data to the U.S. Department of Transportation, but such filings are not audited, unlike those sent to the Securities and Exchange Commission.

SEC filings also don't break out financials for subsidiaries (Delta bought Comair, which was previously a public company, for $1.91 billion in January 2000).

In 2003, Comair earned more than $88 million in net profit on more than $1 billion in revenue, according to Transportation Department statistics. In the first quarter of this year, its net income was $8.4 million on more than $250 million in revenue.

In an interview Thursday, Delta's senior vice president and chief of operations, Joe Kolshak, declined to speculate on what would happen to subsidiaries such as Comair or sister airline ASA, also owned by Delta, under a bankruptcy.

"All I can say is ... without concessions from the (Delta) pilot group, Chapter 11 remains an option," said Kolshak, who also oversees the airline's regional carriers. "But it would be absolutely our last possible option."

Bankruptcy unlikely

Analysts and experts say that a Delta bankruptcy is unlikely because they believe its pilots will eventually acquiesce to the company's demands for deep concessions at the very last possible minute before Chapter 11 is needed. They cite the situation at American Airlines, where unions agreed to cuts just days before American was to declare bankruptcy.

Regional airline analyst Robert Ashcroft of UBS Investment Research, along with airline consultant Michael Boyd, president of the Colorado-based The Boyd Group, say that while unlikely, a Delta bankruptcy would include Comair, despite its apparent profitability.

"There is precedent to this, and usually when a corporation undergoes bankruptcy reorganization, the subsidiaries are included in that," said Ashcroft, pointing to the recent example of US Airways and its three wholly owned regional airlines: Piedmont, Allegheny and PSA.

All three were included in US Airways' restructuring last year.

"And one might raise the question that if ASA and Comair are profitable, why would they go into bankruptcy," Ashcroft continued. "Profits at those regionals and other wholly-owned subsidiaries are completely notional. Delta is free to arrange those contracts and books any way it wants, and can make them look as profitable or unprofitable as it likes."

More leverage

If Delta were to include Comair in any restructuring, it would give management at both airlines much more leverage in renegotiating or even possibly voiding existing contracts.

Comair's pilots, who went on an 89-day strike in 2001, are now considered the highest-paid in the regional industry, as are the flight attendants - the airline's mechanics also are unionized.

The labor rates have made Comair's costs some of the highest in the regional industry. In the first quarter of this year, Comair recorded $262.9 million in operating expenses, third-highest among major regionals. The rate of 11.58 cents to fly one passenger one mile, however, is one of the lowest.

Under bankruptcy protection, the company could ask to renegotiate the deals, using the threat of filing what is called a Section 11-13, or asking the bankruptcy judge to void existing contracts and impose wages that are more in line with the rest of the market.

J.C. Lawson III, chairman of Comair's branch of the Air Line Pilots Association, would not comment on potential bankruptcy and its possible impact on labor contracts. Comair has already asked its pilot and flight attendant unions for concessions to cut costs to receive new jets from Delta. The pilots said no, and Comair will not get any new jets next year, the first time in the 26-year history of the company that it has not added to its fleet.

Bankruptcy "definitely would give the management more leverage, and I always tell unions that it's better to negotiate a deal outside of bankruptcy than be under Chapter 11," said Boyd, who consults with unions as well as airlines, and who has done customer service training for Comair.

This was the situation at US Airways, which went to unions at all three subsidiaries for concessions. PSA got the most cuts from its pilots. Now, PSA is the only one of US Airways' three wholly owned subsidiaries flying regional jets. The other two - Piedmont and Allegheny - are now being merged and will handle smaller routes and fly turboprops, as opposed to the more lucrative regional jets.

"They essentially had a bakeoff, which could be the situation at Delta," Ashcroft said. "And PSA got the most cuts and came out the winner."

Problems loom

The other two scenarios have their attractions, the experts say, but also pose more potential problems.

If Comair were spun off through an initial public offering or sold outright to private investors to raise cash for Delta, the parent could have a hard time selling. That's because impending bankruptcy or current bankruptcy would make the contracts with Delta all but meaningless, since they would be restructured as well.

At this stage, however, Ashcroft believes that any spin-off is unlikely until Delta's financial situation stabilizes.

And keeping Comair and its sister ASA out of bankruptcy could simplify matters - or make it even more complicated. Since Comair is profitable on paper, creditors could line up to take a slice of those profits (including Delta employees' own pension funds). In addition to the airline, Comair technically owns Delta AirElite, Delta's high-end charter service, as well as a well-established flight school in Florida - Delta Connection Aviation Academy.

In addition, Delta creditors are likely to want ASA and Comair creditors to share in the financial pain, Ashcroft said.

Finally, Delta also could be forced to renege on its contracts that set the rates it pays regionals such as Comair to carry Delta passengers.

"Creditors of mainline Delta are going to want to have access to as many of Delta's assets as possible," Ashcroft said. "That includes Comair and ASA, and that's why both are likely to be included as bankrupt entities as part of any Delta restructuring."

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jarhead said:
• Comair is included in the restructuring under the Chapter 11 umbrella, since it is part of the entire Delta Air Lines Inc. corporation. Experts say this is the most likely outcome in the event of a Delta bankruptcy, which raises the possibility of Comair restructuring its labor contracts, most notably with its pilots - who went on a three-month strike in 2001.

• Comair is spun off either as a privately held or publicly traded company. It essentially would be sold to raise cash for Delta.

• Delta retains Comair and its other subsidiaries but does not include the smaller airlines in the restructuring. That could lead to some interesting situations, such as Delta pension fund managers looking to raid Comair's assets.
It's beginning to look like it's much more palatable for DL to go 11. Helps them get rid of the contract for the CL65's at Skywest. Number 1 sounds like the most viable, as they would cancel their contracts with the non-owned regionals, and restructure it's labor contracts.
 
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jarhead said:
If Comair were spun off through an initial public offering or sold outright to private investors to raise cash for Delta, the parent could have a hard time selling. That's because impending bankruptcy or current bankruptcy would make the contracts with Delta all but meaningless, since they would be restructured as well.

At this stage, however, Ashcroft believes that any spin-off is unlikely until Delta's financial situation stabilizes.
Apparently, selling off Comair to bring in money for mainline DL isn't such a great option after all. Seems like not long ago, the General and others were swearing CMR could be sold-off before a BK would happen. In fact, some even said the shareholders would sue if DL didn't sell-off CMR. What a joke!!
 
Not trying to sitr up the hornet's nest here, an honest question...


Why would they want to cancel the contracts of these other carriers...?....
 
The fact is the Delta pilots won't let the company go into Ch 11. If they do, the 40% the company wants will be a pittance in comparison to what they will actually lose. Not to mention the growing trend of bankruptcy judges willingness to allow companies to use pension funds for everything except the pension. That cushy retirement might go bye-bye.

The topic of the article is pretty ridiculous. Of course Comair's fate, as well as ASA, the Delta Connection Academy, Delta Air Elite, and anything else on the balance sheet hinges on Delta, the parent company.
 
h25b said:
Not trying to sitr up the hornet's nest here, an honest question...


Why would they want to cancel the contracts of these other carriers...?....
Basically to reduce the wages by paying lower than they do now. It's all relative to the cash out vs cash in. If DAL has less money going into pilots and FA pockets, more cash goes into mother Delta's pocket.

Of course, only a judge could allow that to happen via the BK court.
 
h25b

h25b said:
Not trying to sitr up the hornet's nest here, an honest question...


Why would they want to cancel the contracts of these other carriers...?....
I have a little different take on that. In house flying is probably more synergistic when all else is equal. Many duplications can be eliminated, thus reducing costs even further. This will become more evident when and if DL files for 11. If possible they may even seek to combine both regionals to reduce costs even further if they can show the bankruptcy judge it makes sense. They will probably not take the options on the rest of the CRJ's, and instead cancel their contract with Skywest and assume all their CRJ's within ASA/Comair. If DL then becomes healthy, they could spin the umbrella regional off with an IPO or sell it outright.
 
lowecur said:
If possible they may even seek to combine both regionals to reduce costs even further if they can show the bankruptcy judge it makes sense. .

If that were to take place, which pay scale would the previously separate contracts for pilots, F/A's and MX would be operating under in this newly 'merged' entity?
 
1. "In 2003, Comair earned more than $88 million in net profit on more than $1 billion in revenue, according to Transportation Department statistics. In the first quarter of this year, its net income was $8.4 million on more than $250 million in revenue."

2. "And one might raise the question that if ASA and Comair are profitable, why would they go into bankruptcy," Ashcroft continued. "Profits at those regionals and other wholly-owned subsidiaries are completely notional. Delta is free to arrange those contracts and books any way it wants, and can make them look as profitable or unprofitable as it likes."

3. "which raises the possibility of Comair restructuring its labor contracts, most notably with its pilots - who went on a three-month strike in 2001."

#2 above brings up a good poinit - profit is actually an OPINION depending upon how one allocates cost. We all know Delta spent $billions on RJs under Fred Reid - not sure how much Comair or ASA contributed. We all know that Delta pays for reservations/distribution, airport handling, marketing, and debt load coverage (Delta covers the interest expense on the RJ debt that Comair/ASA would have to pay on their own). Comair/ASA don't cover every expense - that was confirmed by Delta's former CFO Michelle Burns - she said Delta covered all of the fixed costs for its regionals....

Is this incorrect? Do you have any actual proof about the $88 million profit at Comair? Can someone find the financial statements that describe all of the costs attributed to Comair that Delta does NOT cover? Perhaps Comair and ASA pay for their training at Flight Safety in ATL or CVG. I'd like to see more detail because it is irresponsible to quote the $88 million figure if supportive financials aren't provided...
 
Heavy Set said:
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#2 above brings up a good poinit - profit is actually an OPINION depending upon how one allocates cost. We all know Delta spent $billions on RJs under Fred Reid - not sure how much Comair or ASA contributed. We all know that Delta pays for reservations/distribution, airport handling, marketing, and debt load coverage (Delta covers the interest expense on the RJ debt that Comair/ASA would have to pay on their own). Comair/ASA don't cover every expense - that was confirmed by Delta's former CFO Michelle Burns - she said Delta covered all of the fixed costs for its regionals....

Is this incorrect? Do you have any actual proof about the $88 million profit at Comair? Can someone find the financial statements that describe all of the costs attributed to Comair that Delta does NOT cover? Perhaps Comair and ASA pay for their training at Flight Safety in ATL or CVG. I'd like to see more detail because it is irresponsible to quote the $88 million figure if supportive financials aren't provided...

The article posted was pasted verbatem out of today's cincinnati newspaper. You would have to direct your request for "proof" to the newspaper.
 
Jarhead,

That's fine. But do you get my point? I think this point says a lot:

"Profits at those regionals and other wholly-owned subsidiaries are completely notional. Delta is free to arrange those contracts and books any way it wants, and can make them look as profitable or unprofitable as it likes."

It's conceivable that DAL management has manipulated its figures to apply pressure to the mainline pilot group... Right? Certainly helps at the bargaining table...
 
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Heavy.......

I agree. Delta has the capacity to make numbers in the particular report, reflect a bias one way or another to suit their own agenda. As stated early in the article, this is not an SEC filing, so I suspect there are a number of ways the data can be presented.
 
Independent Skywest

I hope Skywest gets to leave their bonds at Delta. Sell them all these crappy RJs and start running an independent operation in SLC and the west coast. I'm not sure where Delta Connection would park in SLC though. I guess Skywest could sublease gates out of terminal E (owned by Skywest) for some of Delta's gates (they'll need the money in Ch.11) for Skywest 737s and 7E7's. Of course then United would have a problem with us running competition against them, but I'm really not sure they will be around much longer either.

Ahhhh, what a pipe dream. Then I could fly 737's at 50 seat rates. Or better yet Skywest could start up an alter-ego airline and my FO's can take E120 rates to get quick upgrades in the 737. NO PENSION Yeaahhhhh.....

Screw it, Maybe I should just get off my ass, pay $8000 for and interview and go to Southwest. Just wonderful... PFI (PAY FOR INTERVIEW)

So young, but yet so bitter..........................
 
That Enquirer article was horriblely innaccurate. In one paragraph they said Comair had the highest costs in the regional industry, then only a sentence later said they had one of the lowest costs per passenger mile. Which is it? I hope they understand the difference between total costs and unit costs.
If you buy that Skywest, CHQ, ACA, and Xjet are profitable, then you subscribe to the same definition of profitability that Comair uses. Comair and ASA are now paid fee for departure through Delta's accounting system, just like SKYW, CHQ, and ACA, and if you'll search through my previous posts you'll find where I explain just how accurate the DOT data is, and why it is so accurate. The DOT data not only says Comair is profitable with what skeptics like to call "questionable reveues," but that the also have some of the lowest CASM's in the regional industry. The only control Delta has over Comair's costs is to make them higher. Aside from the advertising Comair does not need, Comair pays everything to Delta including station handling and reservations fees. Of course CHQ, Skywest and ACA don't pay for advertising either.
But then again I think we've already proven that not even facts can persuade the bull-headed.
 
jarhead said:
If that were to take place, which pay scale would the previously separate contracts for pilots, F/A's and MX would be operating under in this newly 'merged' entity?
Everything is negotiable between DL and those groups. I don't really know a lot about how 11 works, but I believe negotiations are the first step toward new contracts, and then possible binding arbitration or a determination by the bankruptcy judge.

Fred Reid and his over zealousness about the use of the RJ has put DL in quite a bind. These things need to be addressed, and unfortunately bankruptcy may be the only solution. DL has so many anchors weighting it down ie: pilot's contract, long term debt, pensions, and myriad of regional problems, that it seems to me to be too overwhelming to achieve viability without 11.
 
lowecur said:
Everything is negotiable between DL and those groups. I don't really know a lot about how 11 works, but I believe negotiations are the first step toward new contracts, and then possible binding arbitration or a determination by the bankruptcy judge.

Fred Reid and his over zealousness about the use of the RJ has put DL in quite a bind. These things need to be addressed, and unfortunately bankruptcy may be the only solution. DL has so many anchors weighting it down ie: pilot's contract, long term debt, pensions, and myriad of regional problems, that it seems to me to be too overwhelming to achieve viability without 11.
Myriad of regional problems? The RJ has put them in a bind? Hu. O K.........Actually really not worth a response.
 
AFELLOWAVIATOR said:
Myriad of regional problems? The RJ has put them in a bind? Hu. O K.........Actually really not worth a response.
Let me clarify. Because of Comair's contracts, DL has outsourced a lot of RJ flying to try and gain some leverage for possible renegotiations. They have basically co-signed on all the Skywest CL's, plus they have a large number of options for CRJ's that are still outstanding. Solution.....Chapt 11 to bring everything under one umbrella regional.
 
Comair's "fake" profitability is such a drain on Delta that Comair pilots should propose changes in their contract that will help to restore Delta's bottom line. It is only fair for us to help the Company and the Delta pilots, since they have "given" us everything we have. It is time to thank them for their past generosity and pay back what is really theirs.

Here are some ideas.

1. We should offer that all the 70 seaters be crewed by furloughed Delta pilots. That way CMR pilots can move back to the 50 seaters, where they belong. That's only for starters though -- see #9.

2. We should alter our pay scales for the 70-seater and agree to fly them for $2/hr less than the U pilots fly the EMB-170 @ MAA. That would make the top pay $56/hr, which would make us "competitive". It won't matter since the planes will be flown by DL pilots anyway and they need job security more than we do.

3. We should lower the 50-seat rates accordingly, including no credit for longevity. There is no reason the Company should pay us more than Mesa to fly these planes. Think of the "growth" that might come if we can undercut Mesa. That would get all the furloughees back in a heartbeat.

4. We should remove all the stupid "work rules" and agree to fly to FAR's. That will improve productivity and help the Company. Since most CMR pilots will be replaced by furloughed DL pilots it won't affect us much and the DL pilots will be so happy to get back to work that they won't care either. This would really help the Company.

5. We should give up those DC pension benefits. Since all of us want to fly for a "major" some day, we don't need any "retirement" from a place where we aren't going to retire. That includes the Company's 401K match as well. When we do get to be real airline pilots at a major we will be able to recover all and more by participating in their superior DB retirement plans.

6. Things like "premium pay", duty rigs, trip rigs and minimun day are unnecessary at a regional airline. The CFI's that now fly our airplanes aren't accustomed to that and won't care. Besides, they are all going to flow-through/migrate to DL at some point anyway. While we're at it, we should also do away with cancellation pay. That "risk" should be absorbed by the pilots, not the company.

7. We should encourage the re-establishment of PFT, with an exemption for the DL pilots that move over. The rest of us need to pay for the jobs we have, given our lack of experience.

8. We should indicate our willingness to accept a "pure staple" with DL mainline and beg the DL pilots to consider it (the company might agree if we do all those other things above first). That way a 3-yr DL furloughee can be senior to a 25 yr CMR captain. That is their rightful place anyway, so why not give back to them what they have given to us? We won't lose more than 1000 jobs, so most of the "lifers" that we have will still keep their employment. Some might have to downgrade, but so what. The increase in the quality that the company will get from the "experience" of the DL pilots is well worth it. This is a little risky because the DL pilots might give concessions in work rules too and that might furlough a whole lot more. Still, the beneift of a staple outweighs the risk. Everything will be back to "normal" in 10 years anyway. Not to worry.

9. In the interest of unity with the DL pilots and to gain the blessing of ALPA, we should agree that the DMEC scope clause should be lowered so that DL pilots fly everything over 40 seats in a couple of years, and later on all jets. That should finally put a stop to all these useless RJs that Delta has chosen to operate (once these airiplanes are flown by "the mainline" they won't be RJ's anymore. We'll just call them "small jets"). The flying belongs to DL pilots anyway and we have been "stealing" it for too long. Let's be honest and give it back. As a side effect, it will also improve the credibility of the Boyd group and people may even start to believe DW as well.

10. These things will allow us to "share the pain" of the DL pilots, which is what they want, and we all know deep down that what they want is just and it is what they should have. These things will help return the "mainline" to profitability and reduce the loss that they suffer from subsidizing Comair. One day the DL pilots will "forgive" us for all the bad things we have done to them. That way when the mainline grows we can all aspire to the "preferential hiring" that they will surely force their company to give us in return. We must learn to trust the DL pilots who really have our best interests at heart. After all they did pay the assessment and they gave us money during the strike. We "owe" them.

11. Finally, if we do this, the DL pilots will help us to get a Scope Clause like theirs and we can eliminate SkyWest, Chatauqua and any other outfit that wants to subcontract with Delta. That will return all the "growth", we will get new airplanes, and every one will be recalled in a short time. When its all settled you will be able to call yourself a "mainline pilot", even a Delta pilot, which is the greatest benefit of all.

I'm sure that mangement will accept these ideas and have little doubt that we will gain the full support and love of ALPA, the DMEC and the DL pilot group. It will also help the Company to pay for all those "hidden costs" that Delta mainline is now paying for us on the backs of the impoverished DL pilots.

PS. Don't worry about ASA, if we do this right we can get some of their flying back for the DL pilots too.
 

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