comair

[Varmint]

It is time for the ALPA chest thumpers and cheerleaders to put up or shut up....I intend to bring a resolution to the floor of the next 112 LEC meeting to ask that current CMR pilots be given priority hiring WITH THEIR CMR DOH for bidding purposes.

Either we are one together or we aren't...A national seniority list may not be possible, but this certainly is.

Rez...PCL128....Nevets...Will you support this or won't you?

Hell NO. NEVER, NO way in hell. What is the drive for your love affair with the comair pilot group. They would NEVER do this for us if we were in their shoes. Proof is in the past:

We voted to hire furloughed alpa people during the last major downturn when we were hiring and allow the furloughs to retain their DOH at their original companies. COMAIR said if you come here you have to resign your seniority number and blew a big nasty green fart in every furloughed pilots direction. If we would have had guys on furlough at that time it would have been directed at us, just as it was toward everyone else.

JC Lawson and his senior cronies and former RJDC supporters (now I see the connection) who would benefit by your proposal are the same ones who turned a blind eye toward every furlough. If your proposal gets any positive attention, our ALPA leadership needs to be DISMISSED immediately.

 

[crj567]

I think Lawson and Ford will look good working at a Subway, asking "Would you like cheese on that?"


Bye Bye---General Lee

Subway is WAAAAYYY too good for those jerks! Maybe they will wind up sorting big turds from the little ones at the crapper plant. Lawson has done more damage to this industry than anyone since Lorenzo.

 

[crj567]

Hell NO. NEVER, NO way in hell. What is the drive for your love affair with the comair pilot group. They would NEVER do this for us if we were in their shoes. Proof is in the past:

We voted to hire furloughed alpa people during the last major downturn when we were hiring and allow the furloughs to retain their DOH at their original companies. COMAIR said if you come here you have to resign your seniority number and blew a big nasty green fart in every furloughed pilots direction. If we would have had guys on furlough at that time it would have been directed at us, just as it was toward everyone else.

JC Lawson and his senior cronies and former RJDC supporters (now I see the connection) who would benefit by your proposal are the same ones who turned a blind eye toward every furlough. If your proposal gets any positive attention, our ALPA leadership needs to be DISMISSED immediately.

Nail on the head!

Joe just will not let that damn thing die!

 

[Ad Lib]

Regardless, What a shame that a few bad apples have to spoil a good time for everyone by breaking the rules.

Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests - we did. [wink to Dean Wormer] But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole collective bargaining system? And if the whole collective bargaining system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

 

[No Delay]

I would support some type of pref hiring. Even coming in at second or third year pay (or some type of pro-rated pay scale). But I don't think DOH (for bidding purposes) would be supported by our pilot group.

Now, if ALPA had some type of system that worked for all ALPA members that would be a different story. But to suddenly allow one pilot group to jump ahead of pilots at another airline...doesn't seem fair.

ALPA should be looking out for all members, not just one group. I am all for a Date of Membership seniority system (with some type of temporary fences). That's what ALPA should be working on.


No expert....just my two cents.

 

[johnpeace]

ALPA should be looking out for all members, not just one group.

No kidding.

We all signed up for this with the expectation that if we were ever to leave for greener pastures, it would be starting at the bottom of their list.

That means we all came to our present position with the expecation that our senoiority would be protected.

I feel for the CMR guys (or anyone else who through no fault of their own) chose poorly...but not so badly that I'm willing to give up my own relative seniority to help them out of their jam.

Sorry, but it could just as easily be me and I don't see other ALPA carrieres or anyone else holding the door open for me and inviting me to come on over with my present seniority number where we'll all sing Koombayah.

 

[makersmarc]

No kidding.

We all signed up for this with the expectation that if we were ever to leave for greener pastures, it would be starting at the bottom of their list.

That means we all came to our present position with the expecation that our senoiority would be protected.

I feel for the CMR guys (or anyone else who through no fault of their own) chose poorly...but not so badly that I'm willing to give up my own relative seniority to help them out of their jam.

Sorry, but it could just as easily be me and I don't see other ALPA carrieres or anyone else holding the door open for me and inviting me to come on over with my present seniority number where we'll all sing Koombayah.

Hope you never get 'Comaired'.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests - we did. [wink to Dean Wormer] But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole collective bargaining system? And if the whole collective bargaining system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

Outstanding.

 

[johnpeace]

Hope you never get 'Comaired'.

So do I.

If I do though, I'll walk away from this stupid industry...rather than go try to displace someone who chose smarter than me.

 

[enuffalready]

So do I.

If I do though, I'll walk away from this stupid industry...rather than go try to displace someone who chose smarter than me.

I'm an ASA guy and while I agree with you about a Comair guy coming over here in front of me, i wouldnt exactly say someone who chose ASA was smarter.... this business is all luck...

If you were a big swinging D!ck fighter pilot in Vietnam you went to TWA, PanAM or Eastern... all gone... I wouldnt say someone who selected Delta back then was 'smarter'

 

[tiffanytaylor]

If the worst does happen, I really hope that pilots here get hired somewhere soon and the f/as. I wish Delta didn't have the policy that if you fail an interview you never get interviewed again. At least that's what I heard, don't know if it's true though..

There's a very interesting letter posted on the APC board regarding preferential hiring, etc. If you haven't seen it, it might shed alot of light on the bad feelings between Comair and Delta.

 

[makersmarc]

So do I.

If I do though, I'll walk away from this stupid industry...rather than go try to displace someone who chose smarter than me.

~Talk about manufactured antipathy. Just how many Comair pilots have "tried" to displace you or anyone else? I believe the fellow that postulated the notion of a seniority transfer works for ASA.

I know you didn't mean to sound this way, but you (and others) come across as though you are saying, "sorry about your luck - them's the breaks, a$$#oles"

 

[johnpeace]

~Talk about manufactured antipathy. Just how many Comair pilots have "tried" to displace you or anyone else? I believe the fellow that postulated the notion of a seniority transfer works for ASA.

I know you didn't mean to sound this way, but you (and others) come across as though you are saying, "sorry about your luck - them's the breaks, a$$#oles"

No, it's 'them's the breaks...sorry'. What do you want me to do, invite them to come live in my house and eat out of my refrigerator?

Sorry. You picked Comair for whatever reasons you did and it ended up like this.

It's a bummer...but what it ISN'T is a call for pilots from other ALPA carriers to pick up and carry your career to 'the next level'.

i wouldnt exactly say someone who chose ASA was smarter.... this business is all luck...

Yah, that's true. I didn't mean to come off like there was something special about pilots who went to work with carriers who seem to be enjoying some level of success now.

All of that success is short-lived and illusory.

It is all luck.

It's just that: just because the way you chose produced some set of results, doesn't mean that you're owed some other, more desirable, set of results.

Sorry.

Good luck.

It's aviation...the peaks and valleys are greater and lower than I understand they are in other professions. From what I've read/heard: get used to it.

 

[crj567]

~Talk about manufactured antipathy. Just how many Comair pilots have "tried" to displace you or anyone else? I believe the fellow that postulated the notion of a seniority transfer works for ASA.

I know you didn't mean to sound this way, but you (and others) come across as though you are saying, "sorry about your luck - them's the breaks, a$$#oles"

The guy who postulated this idea works for the RJDC more than anyone else. This clown has been going around and around for the past decade trying to wreak all sorts of RJDC mischief. He even tried to hijack our unions for them, if I am not mistaken.

-Just let that miserable bad idea die Joe-please let it die, at long last.

And NO I will not willingly let anyone, from any other airline get DOH ahead of me. And nor should I. I was hired here, and I served this place. They shouldn't skip ahead of me just because Joe is a jackoff with delusions of grandeur.

 

[No Delay]

While I don't agree with Joe (the original post), he has brought to light an issue that should be of importance of all ALPA members.

A system needs to be developed to break the ugly cycle of starting at the bottom. We (ALPA that is) need be able to transfer experience and not have to start over on everything - pay, seniority, vacation, schedules.