Comair....

[WayBack]

Surface winds don't do me any good when I'm cleared to land 10 miles out at 3000 feet. Why as pilots do we always try and overcomplicate this crap? This job isn't that hard folks.

Because some overweight pilot who can't keep his medical is sitting in his little cubical trying to figure out ways to keep his job, coming up with new procedures.
Up next, new call outs! You will call out the altitude in 500ft increments.

500 above! ....1,500 climbing 5,000! 2000 climbing 5,000, 2500 climbing 5000!.....can we get a AGL Check?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

I guess that's why the rest of the industry writes down the ATIS.

We use the printer. Still winds tend to change more than once an hour, wouldn't you say? Our bugging requirement is what it is.


In regards to "how long is final," that is because the 757 does NOT like to descend...not at 250 and even less at 210...flaps dont help, they just add lift. It doesn't drop like a rock out of the sky like the CRJ does. Asking how long final helps make a determination on whether or not to vibrate the heck out of the cabin with the speedbrakes, which is the only way the 757 will descend much more than 1000 fpm.

I was sure to walk off the airplane today like I'm the hottest pilot ever to exist, though.

 

[WayBack]

In regards to "how long is final," that is because the 757 does NOT like to descend...not at 250 and even less at 210...flaps dont help, they just add lift. It doesn't drop like a rock out of the sky like the CRJ does. Asking how long final helps make a determination on whether or not to vibrate the heck out of the cabin with the speedbrakes, which is the only way the 757 will descend much more than 1000 fpm.
.

Is that what they taught you at GIA? Guessing you're a former GIA guy like most PCL guys.
Lot's of airplanes don't like to descent. But guess what? That's why you're there! Click the autopilot off and fly the airplane! What a concept, maybe that's why you have the job title of a PILOT!?
To wrap it up, I have decided to give you a new nickname. You my son, your new name is "AutoThrottles"

 

[LazyLightnin']

wind check

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Sorry, didn't go to GIA. Flew corporate, aircraft sales and flight instructed.

Why can I only "descent" with the autopilot off? FLCH, VS and VNAV seem to work fine with or without the AP engaged. I was only referencing that anyways to the "how long is final" that alot of guys seem to use to figure out how much boards to use on the downwind.

As much as you can't believe it, I handfly the airplane a lot...without the "AutoThrottles."

 

[rf285]

You guys are truly sad if you think that making fun of "wind check" is entertaining. I'm sure you would love to say it someday. Or maybe not...

 

[CRJ puppy]

Here's my take on wind checks.....do whatever the f&*k it takes to keep the airplane on the centerline. Unless it's a question of limitations....it's pretty irrelevant. Surface winds don't do me any good when I'm cleared to land 10 miles out at 3000 feet. Why as pilots do we always try and overcomplicate this crap? This job isn't that hard folks.

Can I get an "AMEN"?!?!

Thank you!

 

[79%N1]

Um, puff....

Does it even matter what the heck they "say" the wind readout is??? Doesn't a 'pilot' steer the airplane to the runway using things like ailerons, using whatever inputs it takes to bring the aircraft over the runway? And then doesn't that pilot align the aircraft along the centerline using their feet to move the rudder, using whatever inputs necessary? What does an arbitrary number matter? Do you guys calculate some formula that gives you the footpounds of tourque necessary to apply to the rudder to overcome the wind? No, I'm sure you simply steer with your hands and feet, same as a C152 pilot on his first solo flight.

 

[crj567]

Sorry, didn't go to GIA. Flew corporate, aircraft sales and flight instructed.

Why can I only "descent" with the autopilot off? FLCH, VS and VNAV seem to work fine with or without the AP engaged. I was only referencing that anyways to the "how long is final" that alot of guys seem to use to figure out how much boards to use on the downwind.

As much as you can't believe it, I handfly the airplane a lot...without the "AutoThrottles."

WOW-

A real pilot who "handflies" the airplane!!!! He even flew corporate and flight instructed! What an amazing guy!

-I'll bet he even uses a formula to figure the exact ft-lbs required to spank it!

 

[Jack-O-Lantern]

I disagree with quite a bit of what you said. The regionals attitude has morphed somewhat from my experience when I was there, and the attitude is reflected here. Regardless, I have earned the right to be critical of their triteness, as I have indeed walked the walk. It is the triteness I attempted to address with like minded triteness so that they may reflect on their words and perhaps learn something. I have tried the rational approach with them, and they just don't get it. On to tough love. I do, however, thank you for your input. I don't put the emphasis on spelling, so don't worry. I consider the "spelling argument" trite as well.

My friend, if you use the handful of soles on this site for you basis of your opinion of Regional pilots,than you yourself, are trite and ignorant!

 

[captainv]

Good thing we're spending so much time discussing wind checks and
the vast differences in perspective between mainline and RJ pilots, y'know, because obviously those are the two most pressing issues we face right now.

What was this thread about again? Comair will probably furlough more in the fall, and Delta might furlough too, but nobody knows definitively either way.

I'll save the wind check debate until next month, when a DAL jumpseat becomes the only viable option I have to get to work.

 

[doh]

Perhaps they are just taking a more professional approach to their appearance, or just feel as if they are around more professional pilots. One thing about the typical Delta pilot, they are always trying to get or make themselves better people. No so at some places, where many have already peaked.

Keep trying.

You must mean guys like Michael William Ellicott. ..l.. Tool.

 

[xjlifer]

After carefull study it is apparent that 99% of FI post's are made by 2% of the FI population.

 

[Hobit]

After carefull study it is apparent that 99% of FI post's are made by 2% of the FI population.

Is that 2% figure considering all of the bogus screen names that General Lee comes up with?

 

[General Lee]

From what I have heard from some DAL guys, he will be furloughed soon himself.
They were saying that DAL might be furloughing up to 1,500 guys.

That is pure BS. We have heard we will be fat this Fall, but short again in the Spring and Summer next year. If they did furlough, though, we would also take some more seats out of your Comair CR9s (and other 76 seaters), and bump pilots out of Compass.

And as far as Comair goes, the pilots there are being targeted by DL most likely because of the strike. And I do feel for the junior guys there, but the senior guys all wanted more CR7s during our 9-11 furloughs, so they can all take it and enjoy it. Let's all hope for less total RJs, period. They have wrecked this industry and wages. With more than 1 billion people flying domestically starting in 2011, hopefully more mainline planes will take up the slack, and RJs will turn into beer cans. Then, all of you can interview at DL if you wanted and we started hiring, and we could weed out the dorks like CRJ567 and hobit.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Is that 2% figure considering all of the bogus screen names that General Lee comes up with?

Riiiiiiight. I don't need other names, I enjoy GL posts just fine. A lot of people agree with me though, which is obvious. Bye now.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PuffDriver]

Um, puff....

Does it even matter what the heck they "say" the wind readout is??? Doesn't a 'pilot' steer the airplane to the runway using things like ailerons, using whatever inputs it takes to bring the aircraft over the runway? And then doesn't that pilot align the aircraft along the centerline using their feet to move the rudder, using whatever inputs necessary? What does an arbitrary number matter? Do you guys calculate some formula that gives you the footpounds of tourque necessary to apply to the rudder to overcome the wind? No, I'm sure you simply steer with your hands and feet, same as a C152 pilot on his first solo flight.

I couldn't agree more. I take the atis, compute the approach speed, and do whatever it takes. At the same time, I don't sit around typing on my keyboard poking fun of guys who are predisposed to ask for a wind check. Nor do I come on here and poke fun of the countless times regional pilots miss calls in ATL. Frankly, they are as big of tools as they think the "wind check" guys are. In fact, they are bigger toold, because it takes longer to type wind check on here than it does to say it.

Nuff said on the subject.

 

[PuffDriver]

Insecure much? Who said it was about you, sweetie?

As far as the missed calls go, that's not a company specific problem. You and I and everyone here knows that Delta on multiple occasions also misses calls as well as fumbles through hold short clearances (ground control loves it when you do that.. oh and also a safety issue). And as far as the FlightInfo thing, you're still here reading this right now and putting those super-important things off for another time I suppose.

It's not often I criticize anyone on here personally, but you my friend, by the things you say, are the epitome of doosh.

Musta hit close to home. Regional babies, like shootin fish in a barrel

 

[WayBack]

I couldn't agree more. I take the atis, compute the approach speed, and do whatever it takes. At the same time, I don't sit around typing on my keyboard poking fun of guys who are predisposed to ask for a wind check. Nor do I come on here and poke fun of the countless times regional pilots miss calls in ATL. Frankly, they are as big of tools as they think the "wind check" guys are. In fact, they are bigger toold, because it takes longer to type wind check on here than it does to say it.

Nuff said on the subject.

Ok, since you're ruined a perfectly good furlough thread, let's talk about how big of a tool you are.
You used to fly for a regiona, like Peanuckle. You get hired by Mother Delta and all of the sudden you become the suprior airman. You make fun of the regional guys, even though, you ARE one....remeber your roots?
Then you come into the regional forum and fight with these regional pilots and their opinions. I thought your big 757 and big massive paycheck put you on a higher tier than these guy? No, instead the lower your standards to argue with the pond scum regional pilot.
We don't give two sh*ts what your routine is, when or where you grab atis and set your autothrottles. We don't look up to you nor do we think you're uber cool. Instead you sound like a dork.
Go fly your big bad 757 with autothrottle, don't forget ATIS and your windcheck. When your done, go to the hotel and finish one off infront of the mirror, because you're the only person who loves you.
WINDCHECK!!!!

 

[WMUSIGPI]

That is pure BS. We have heard we will be fat this Fall, but short again in the Spring and Summer next year. If they did furlough, though, we would also take some more seats out of your Comair CR9s (and other 76 seaters), and bump pilots out of Compass.

And as far as Comair goes, the pilots there are being targeted by DL most likely because of the strike. And I do feel for the junior guys there, but the senior guys all wanted more CR7s during our 9-11 furloughs, so they can all take it and enjoy it. Let's all hope for less total RJs, period. They have wrecked this industry and wages. With more than 1 billion people flying domestically starting in 2011, hopefully more mainline planes will take up the slack, and RJs will turn into beer cans. Then, all of you can interview at DL if you wanted and we started hiring, and we could weed out the dorks like CRJ567 and hobit.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Unfortunately you guys were glad to give them and give them more...... Some of the blame comes from the mirror on that one, Lee.

 

[LazyLightnin']

I couldn't agree more. I take the atis, compute the approach speed, and do whatever it takes. At the same time, I don't sit around typing on my keyboard poking fun of guys who are predisposed to ask for a wind check. Nor do I come on here and poke fun of the countless times regional pilots miss calls in ATL. Frankly, they are as big of tools as they think the "wind check" guys are. In fact, they are bigger toold, because it takes longer to type wind check on here than it does to say it.

Nuff said on the subject.

And still you're here... Taking time out of your busy day to defend 12,000 of your colleagues from a little harmless banter all while contradicting yourself by saying you don't ask how long final is or for wind checks because it's not necessary. Why don't you just take this opportunity to get over yourself and fade away.

 

[PuffDriver]

And still you're here... Taking time out of your busy day to defend 12,000 of your colleagues from a little harmless banter all while contradicting yourself by saying you don't ask how long final is or for wind checks because it's not necessary. Why don't you just take this opportunity to get over yourself and fade away.

No contradictions. You just aren't smart enough to keep up with the posts. Acey 4421, Atlanta......



Gotta go count all my money....

 

[WayBack]

No contradictions. You just aren't smart enough to keep up with the posts. Acey 4421, Atlanta......



Gotta go count all my money....

Yes Sir, Mother Delta, SIR!

Knock Knock?
Who's there?
YOU'RE A ****************************** BAG!!

 

[LazyLightnin']

Gotta go count all my money....

Holy shlt you are a massive doosh!

 

[PuffDriver]

Yes Sir, Mother Delta, SIR!

Knock Knock?
Who's there?
YOU'RE A ****************************** BAG!!

Hook,line,sinker.

 

[PuffDriver]

Holy shlt you are a massive doosh!

Hook,line,sinker.

Maybe you guys should negotiate a scale that pays you for how far you land down the runway, or how fast you run through brakes.

Enough said.

I'm out.

Sometimes, it's just too easy........

 

[doh]

Leave Poofdriver and the General alone. They have to get back to bettering themselves by beating their wives in front of their children. The judge, having seen the photos of Delta Pilot Michael William Ellicott's wife from the hosiptal, said "you would have done her a favor if you had killed her". You boys need to get off your high horse.

 

[Hobit]

Then, all of you can interview at DL if you wanted and we started hiring, and we could weed out the dorks like CRJ567 and hobit.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Sorry bud, you won't find me anywhere near that slum HQ on virginia ave looking for internment at deltard. I can honestly tell you I want nothing to do with that hate filled slum of a city. That has got to be the most depressing place on earth. Heck, I had more fun in a combat theater than in the 'ATL'. I know you folks have more bases but who the he!! wants the chance of getting stuck there in the rear-end of the earth?!

I'm happy you love your life driving a bus, seriously. Everyone should be happy. I could not take the hit in pay to go back to driving a bus again at your place or the regionals. I admit that it would be nice to fly a 75 for a while but it would not beat what I get to do now and even a 75 would get old after a while. (probably why you troll a web board to excess ie 10,000+ posts) Hmm point a to point b for the rest of my life or have a mission between take off and landing?..... No brain-er.

Having a few of you double breasted types on the jump seat and having to force a smile on ya'lls a few times has solidified for me that your companies 'corporate culture' is not what I want out of life. Again, I'm happy it fits you (and all your little screen names-lol...and you pay 10 bucks a pop for that?! sheesh must be be nice as a D.I.N.K.).

So sorry to burst your bubble but your generation has given too much up (scope) to make it worth it at any major.

 

[General Lee]

Sorry bud, you won't find me anywhere near that slum HQ on virginia ave looking for internment at deltard. I can honestly tell you I want nothing to do with that hate filled slum of a city. That has got to be the most depressing place on earth. Heck, I had more fun in a combat theater than in the 'ATL'. I know you folks have more bases but who the he!! wants the chance of getting stuck there in the rear-end of the earth?!

I'm happy you love your life driving a bus, seriously. Everyone should be happy. I could not take the hit in pay to go back to driving a bus again at your place or the regionals. I admit that it would be nice to fly a 75 for a while but it would not beat what I get to do now and even a 75 would get old after a while. (probably why you troll a web board to excess ie 10,000+ posts) Hmm point a to point b for the rest of my life or have a mission between take off and landing?..... No brain-er.

Having a few of you double breasted types on the jump seat and having to force a smile on ya'lls a few times has solidified for me that your companies 'corporate culture' is not what I want out of life. Again, I'm happy it fits you (and all your little screen names-lol...and you pay 10 bucks a pop for that?! sheesh must be be nice as a D.I.N.K.).

So sorry to burst your bubble but your generation has given too much up (scope) to make it worth it at any major.

Well great, I hope you get your wish of never flying for DL. That's fantastic. Have fun doing whatever you are doing. I really do enjoy my flying, and there is great variety so it never really does get boring. I see some Europe, then I go down to South America, and then I may do some domestic stuff that is in the INTL category for some reason. I enjoy it a lot. Most of the flying I do is on the 767-300ER, which is fairly spacious, and some of them have a "condo" that has a bunk bed with lie flat sleeping. And, it is a lot better over here than you think. I did the commuter thing (what it was called back then), and this a a ton better. Hopefully our scope will tighten instead of loosen in the future, and more RJs will turn into beer cans, resulting in more mainline jobs available in the future. That would be better for all of us.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Leave Poofdriver and the General alone. They have to get back to bettering themselves by beating their wives in front of their children. The judge, having seen the photos of Delta Pilot Michael William Ellicott's wife from the hosiptal, said "you would have done her a favor if you had killed her". You boys need to get off your high horse.

My family life is great. Thanks for being wrong.

Bye Bye--General Lee