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Yes, Delta would lose out on $125 million from SkyWest, but could they make that up by taking away $500 per segment from each RJ flight? Maybe they could over 5 years. Maybe they should start charging the feeders for higher priced fuel. I thought Ron Reber was pretty smug when he stated "We are insulated form the higher fuel prices through our contracts with the Majors..." No wonder you are so profitable---we struggling carriers pay for your extra gas payments. I hope that is changed.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
RJ Bum said:



Looking at the first days motion...if you look in section 25, it shows all of the variouis lending institutions Delta is looking to reject the leases for aircraft. The top two are for some or all of the MD-11's and Wachovia is for 31 (I think I counted right) FRJs. No surprises yet, and more importantly no crj's YET, though I think it's only a matter of time. I'll have to keep watching these in the ensuing days. Thanks for the link!
 
Wacopilot said:
And yes, that q400 thing is not a rumor......it will happen. I have my newly issued Q400 fcom on my desk.
Time to start studying
Waco

Ok, you must be management. When is the announcement going to be made and do you know how many planes it will be?

Jet
 
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Otto said:
Looking at the first days motion...if you look in section 25, it shows all of the variouis lending institutions Delta is looking to reject the leases for aircraft. The top two are for some or all of the MD-11's and Wachovia is for 31 (I think I counted right) FRJs. No surprises yet, and more importantly no crj's YET, though I think it's only a matter of time. I'll have to keep watching these in the ensuing days. Thanks for the link!

Is Delta STILL paying the leases on those MD11s!!? What a waste of money.....

Jet
 
General Lee said:
Yes, Delta would lose out on $125 million from SkyWest, but could they make that up by taking away $500 per segment from each RJ flight? Maybe they could over 5 years. Maybe they should start charging the feeders for higher priced fuel. I thought Ron Reber was pretty smug when he stated "We are insulated form the higher fuel prices through our contracts with the Majors..." No wonder you are so profitable---we struggling carriers pay for your extra gas payments. I hope that is changed.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Dont blame Skywest for this. Delta writes the contracts, not Skywest. The blame for this can be directed at ATL.
 
If you listen to the web-cast form Aug 16 Skywest was asked about their contract if Delta filed ch11. They said that the contract is what delta would want in a ch11 situation. Also remember that the gates in ATL (C & D concourse) are Skywest's not Delta's. If they are not working for Delta Skywest will be working for somebody in ATL. I think they will be working for Delta for as long as Delta is around, I hope that is a long time.
 
generaltso said:
I think the bottom line here is that delta needs to shed some 50 seaters.

Skywest/ASA has theres pretty much locked up, I doubt they will lose many.

There is no doubt that Comair will lose some

CHQ will probably lose some, but there will probably be some type of agreement where they will be replaced by 70 seaters.

I am not sure about Mesa. I don't know why DAL was so quick to add 30 more 50 seaters. My guess is because Mesa is dirt cheap and they can use that fact to get the other connection carriers to reduce costs (although that will be easy now with Chap 11 anyway. Reduce costs or your gone!)

DAL does not care about the pax... they brought Mesa in for god's sake. They care about the bottom line.

The next few months are going to see some changes in the Delta Connection family.

So just because Mesa is more cost efficient that means that they dont take care of their customers? That makes alot of sense. Wait and see in Bankruptcy court who gets more routes beacuse like YOU said.........."reduce your costs or your gone" Skywest/ASA will prob lose several routes....so sad for the 300 mill cash money that Skywest spent. Hope it works out for everyone.
 
I think you are worng. I think SkyWest knew that Delta was going CH11 and, firmed up a good 15 year contract that will be stick in CH 11 (just like SkyWest United was.) SkyWest has all the cards...1. all the gates in ATL. 2. 125 mill in cash of Delta's. 3. 15 year contract. What does Comair have? Nothing Delta cant trash, now that Comair is also in CH11!!!
 
All im saying i that Im bet SkyWest and Delta made this ASA purchase knowing that CH11 was only 2 weeks away. And Im sure that SkyWest got a pretty good deal. What we should worry about is the MESA "pay to play with delta" flying that they are going to start for Delta soon!! I heard they undercut the flying by allot so they could keep there US air planes flying.
 
jetflyer said:
I heard Friday there will be a BIG ANNOUNCEMENT about the future of Comair and that it's not going to be pretty.

GREAT!! :(

Jet

Jet,


If it was anything like our company opener today, you are right! Ouch.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Didn't Mesa buy the old DO-Jets that DAL was stuck with from ACA? A deal made in exchange for some of the Connection flying that Mesa is supposed to get?
 
Delta Air Lines Steps Up Transformation Plan to Accelerate Path to Profitability​














New initiatives add $3 billion in financial benefits to previously announced $5 billion target;​




Stakeholders will share in sacrifice as company restructures











ATLANTA, Sept. 22, 2005 – Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) CEO Gerald Grinstein today



outlined an expanded and stepped up transformation plan designed to “save Delta in the near

term, so that it can compete and win in the long term.” The plan targets an additional $3 billion

in annual financial benefits by the end of 2007, on top of the $5 billion in annual benefits the

company is on track to deliver by 2006, as compared to 2002.

Delta will combine savings achieved through the Chapter 11 restructuring process with planned

revenue and network productivity improvements and more competitive employment costs to

achieve the $3 billion target, with each of the three areas accounting for roughly $1 billion in

revenue and savings benefits.

In a memo to Delta’s 52,000 employees, Grinstein said that the “transformation plan’s business

model has been designed to fortify Delta against the clear and present threats from our

competitors” and that Delta “intends to move from being an unprofitable airline today to a

profitable airline in just over two years.”










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Utilizing the benefits of the in-court restructuring process, Delta intends to realize $970 million



in annual financial benefits through savings such as debt relief, lease and facility savings and

fleet modifications. The company has already rejected leases on 40 mainline aircraft, which it

was not operating at the time of Delta’s Chapter 11 filing, and plans to reduce the size of its

mainline operating fleet by an additional 80-plus aircraft by the end of 2006. These actions

accelerate by two years Delta’s plans to simplify the fleet by four aircraft types. With these

changes, Delta plans to operate seven mainline aircraft types by the end of 2006 – down from 11

today and 14 as recently as 2001. Reductions to the regional jet fleet at Delta Connection carrier

Comair are under evaluation and are expected to be determined soon.










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Reducing domestic mainline capacity by 15-20 percent to address over capacity in the



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Growing international capacity by 25 percent in 2006 to pursue routes with greater profit



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this winter, including the right sizing of capacity at Cincinnati and the addition of new or

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Delta’s expanded plan also includes pay cuts and job reductions for employees throughout the



company, which Grinstein said “will be shared by all Delta people equitably and within the

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future success through enhanced profit-sharing.

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reduced employment costs, employee productivity improvements and overhead reductions. This

total represents annual savings of $325 million from Delta pilots and $605 million from the nonpilot

work force, including management.

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Eliminating 7,000-9,000 jobs systemwide by the end of 2007;













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Reducing pay at all levels of management, including a 25 percent pay reduction for



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Reducing pay scales by 7-10 percent for most front-line employees, excluding those



earning less than $25,000 annually; and











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Enhancing profit sharing to allow all Delta employees to share in future success from the



first dollar of profitability.

Grinstein said that as Delta moves forward, the stepped-up transformation plan will make the

company smaller and more cost efficient, while preserving its customer-focused heritage.

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airline, with a strengthened network and a stronger balance sheet,” Grinstein said. “Our

transformation will be sweeping and fast-paced; it must be if we are to survive and thrive as a

stand-alone company in control of our own destiny.”

Delta Air Lines is the world’s second-largest airline in terms of passengers carried and the

leading U.S. carrier across the Atlantic, offering daily flights to 502 destinations in 88 countries

on Delta, Song, Delta Shuttle, the Delta Connection carriers and its worldwide partners. Delta's

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let's highlight this:

Reductions to the regional jet fleet at Delta Connection carrier Comair are under evaluation and are expected to be determined soon.

oh boy, this ain't going to be pretty....
 
It is only a matter of time. The 5000 hour reduction was just a softener. I am surprised they are mentioning fleet reductions prior to asking for more coin. The nibbles are a little out of order compared to recent filings. I thought for sure that Bain Consulting would have been brought into the mix on day one, maybe they figured that they do not need that much leverage after the loa passed so easily. LOA was the first bite, then the reduction in flying, now another pay cut with the impending loss of aircraft. The new rates will get approved and then in 24-36 months (the main reason they filed prior to the new law was timeframe) they will say they can't exit reorg without more cuts. That will lead to round 3 of cuts, if comair is still part of the mix. One thing is a given, 70 seat flying for 50 seat pay will be a part of the sh1t sandwich. Good times.
 
Rollercoaster!

Reductions to the regional jet fleet at Delta Connection carrier Comair are under evaluation and are expected to be determined soon.


Seems to me that if ASA continues to hire, we should be able to pick up some of those displaced previously trained Comair guys. I wonder if ALPA will even suggest this? Probably not. Good luck to you guys!
 
jetflyer said:
I heard Friday there will be a BIG ANNOUNCEMENT about the future of Comair and that it's not going to be pretty.

GREAT!! :(

Jet

Bad news always comes on Friday afternoons. You remember "the Bobs" from Office Space?:

"We find it's always better to fire people on a Friday. Studies have statistically shown that there's less chance of an incident if you do it at the end of the week."

I guess we will have the weekend to stew about it. I remember way back in '02 when I started with Comair, people on this board were warning against working at a regional that was wholly-owned. I thought, slower upgrade no big deal but this? Looks like they were right. Thanks Big D. :rolleyes: I guess I'll be volunteering with the Guard. Anybody been to the desert lately?
 
Comair will definately shrink. GG was in the ATL pilot lounge the other day and said that there will definately be no growth and Comair will shrink.

He said that Comair is not part of Delta's future.

It has been said that at least 100 rjs will be parked in the near future. Somebody will realize that the high CASM are not right for every market, and that frequency is over rated.

The new rates for Delta's 100 seater are less than that of a Comair cpt so I guess there will be some competition there, while this airplane will stay on Delta property.
 
MajorAv8r said:
GG was in the ATL pilot lounge the other day...He said that Comair is not part of Delta's future.

That's the best news I've heard in weeks. It's consistent with Buttrell's wish to take Comair independant.
 
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DrunkIrishman said:
Wacopilot-

Not true.
The Skywest/ASA deal assured Skywest a feed contract in or out of bankruptcy which would be honored in court. As far as every other carrier, I think Ted Nuggent said it best, "It's a free for all!"
Not quite true,
DAL placed 125 mil into escrow against any changes to the SKYW contracts. If they want it bad enough they can do whatever they want.
PBR
 
MajorAv8r said:
He said that Comair is not part of Delta's future.

Not exactly a revelation. Comair has never been a "part of Delta's future". On the other hand, Delta has been the father of Comair's demise for 5 years. Unfortunately too many Comair pilots have never figured that out.

The only thing this little airline ever got from Delta was expert mismanagement and better pass privileges.

Hate to be a pessimist but it will get much worse before it gets better, IF it ever gets better.
 
Tim47SIP said:
Reductions to the regional jet fleet at Delta Connection carrier Comair are under evaluation and are expected to be determined soon.


Seems to me that if ASA continues to hire, we should be able to pick up some of those displaced previously trained Comair guys. I wonder if ALPA will even suggest this? Probably not. Good luck to you guys!

Will they lose their Comair seniority numbers? They wanted to do that to us. Good goes around.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
N2264J said:
That's the best news I've heard in weeks. It's consistent with Buttrell's wish to take Comair independant.

Great. You can call it DEPENDANT Air. Wait, you can take it alone and go after Southwest on the West, I mean East, I mean North, I mean South, well, you can be the first ever RJ operator in St Thomas....


Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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