FurloughedAgain
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Train Wreck
This thread is like a train-wreck. Nobody's mind is ever going to be changed. I think its important to remember that not ONE of us who is participating here has any power to influence the outcome of events. We're all bystanders.
That being said, I want to make one more comment and then I'll go find a less "angry" thread.
A few messages up "Flaps30" said:
"In the current environment mainline will have to give something, now what do you think the top 50% would rather give up ? Their pay or more 70-seaters ? I'd say it will be some combination of relaxing scope somewhat and modest pay cuts."
I think that he came darn close to hitting the nail on the head.
If and when Delta begins to negotiate with its pilot group it will bring in the big enchilada -- pension.
They have already grumbled, as has every airline in the industry, that the pensions may be underfunded going forward. The vast majority of the political pressure which is being applied to ALPA will be to protect the retirement -- at any cost.
I hope beyond hope that DALPA has a better track record than the ALPA divisions at other majors, but I would bet the farm that they will sell the junior pilots out to save the retirement. Its not personal -- its just business.
Its good press to say that they wont give anything up until the 1060 are recalled. But when the rubber meets the road, the guy who is retiring next year has the power... and management knows it.
Chris Beebe, US Airways former MEC chairman said in October 2001, "NOT ONE NICKEL, NOT ONE JOB".
A little over a year and one-half later there are over 1800 pilots, 30% of the US Airways seniority list, furloughed. They are now the lowest paid of any major airline. They have had extremely limited success finding employment for any of their furloughees. They have obliterated their scope clause and allowed virtually all of their flying to be outsourced... and they are fighting to retain their retirement.
Dont trust the association to negotiate on behalf of your furloughed pilots. Out of sight... out of mind.
This thread is like a train-wreck. Nobody's mind is ever going to be changed. I think its important to remember that not ONE of us who is participating here has any power to influence the outcome of events. We're all bystanders.
That being said, I want to make one more comment and then I'll go find a less "angry" thread.
A few messages up "Flaps30" said:
"In the current environment mainline will have to give something, now what do you think the top 50% would rather give up ? Their pay or more 70-seaters ? I'd say it will be some combination of relaxing scope somewhat and modest pay cuts."
I think that he came darn close to hitting the nail on the head.
If and when Delta begins to negotiate with its pilot group it will bring in the big enchilada -- pension.
They have already grumbled, as has every airline in the industry, that the pensions may be underfunded going forward. The vast majority of the political pressure which is being applied to ALPA will be to protect the retirement -- at any cost.
I hope beyond hope that DALPA has a better track record than the ALPA divisions at other majors, but I would bet the farm that they will sell the junior pilots out to save the retirement. Its not personal -- its just business.
Its good press to say that they wont give anything up until the 1060 are recalled. But when the rubber meets the road, the guy who is retiring next year has the power... and management knows it.
Chris Beebe, US Airways former MEC chairman said in October 2001, "NOT ONE NICKEL, NOT ONE JOB".
A little over a year and one-half later there are over 1800 pilots, 30% of the US Airways seniority list, furloughed. They are now the lowest paid of any major airline. They have had extremely limited success finding employment for any of their furloughees. They have obliterated their scope clause and allowed virtually all of their flying to be outsourced... and they are fighting to retain their retirement.
Dont trust the association to negotiate on behalf of your furloughed pilots. Out of sight... out of mind.