FL990 said:
lets take another look Joe...
www.airlinepilotcentral.com/content/view/6/16/
thats ones for AMR...Take a look at second year fo on the 80 ...71/hr...ASA 34....HMMM...your compairing full grown cow to a baby elephant.
Yes when you get to the top of the pay scale...theres only a $40/hr difference between there lowest paid senior capitain and our highest...
so it is fair to say that on PLUTO...we make the same money...get real dude!!
FL990,
I'm glad you brought this up. This will further help to explain WHY we are in this mess. Believe it or not, we are on the same team. Your point here shows how things like the CMR concessions happen.
Yes I compared only SENIOR captains. My point there is that for SENIOR captains, the pay, benefits and work rules are close enough that it doesn't pay to leave anymore to go to the "majors". So many of them will want to grow their own company regardless of how it affects another pilot group. Enlightened self-interest will trump collective good everytime it is put to a vote.
That takes care of why the majority of the senior pilots vote to accept these agreements. Now lets move on to the junior pilots, or the FO's at the regionals. Whether or not the regional FO's want to stay at the regionals, or move on to the majors, they NEED growth at their company. They NEED this because they need to make captain to make decent money and they need PIC time if they want to move on.
Put the senior "lifers" who are comfortable together with the FOs who need to upgrade, and you get at least 51% of the YES votes regardless of how it affects ANY other pilot group. The other pilot groups can stomp their feet all day long and complain about "lowering the bar" until they're blue in the face. Will it change anything? The simple answer is NO.
Your right, the FOs do not get paid anything close to what the majors get, thus leading you right back to WHY the CMR pilots voted the way they did. Had the EXACT same situation happened here at ASA, I bet you the ASA vote would have been the same. If the roles had been reversed, it would probably have been CMR pilots complaining that we stabbed them in the back.
Joe