Comair Rumors

[Bill Mostellar]

Also, if we do take concessions, I have a favor to ask you Delta guys. Since we are one "big family" I was wondering if "Uncle Gen" and the rest of my "Delta Family" could pool their money and send me a 100 bucks a month so that I could at least feed my kid? I mean we are family, right?

We're already paying the COBRA for the furloughees, we'll contribute the same amount to you that you are to them.

 

[General Lee]

CMRCAPT,

I don't think that our furloughs had never thought that they couldn't get furloughed. That is a risk in this game. But, the way your MEC has treated them is an issue. They do not "deserve" to have a job extended to them, but your help, like ASA's, would have been appreciated and remembered. Your lack of help will remain in memories for a longer time---and that is just reality. And, you can't really describe Delta "hanging on a thread." Delta is the healthiest of the majors, and has well over $3 billion in the bank. That is plenty to service the debt and incur daily losses, and in the mean time things are getting brighter and revenue is starting to increase. And, most likely YOU AND I will eventually help in the debt problem anyways......


Fins,

You are probably correct about Dalpa not leaving ALPA, and I think THEY THINK they have this RJDC thing under control. We shall just have to see. Your knowledge on this matter is impressive, but we both don't really know what will happen or is happening behind closed doors.


Acecrackshot,

I do sympathize with every furlough at every airline, and feel lucky not to have gone through the process. (yet, I guess....?) As far as Dalpa or ALPA "selling out" our current furloughs---I don't think that happened. I think it was lack of foresight by ALPA in the early '90s to not include the RJs in the mainline fleets---and if they could have seen into the future and seen what has happened---they would have. I wouldn't call it a "sellout." Also, a lot of our current furloughs flew RJs at Comair, ASA, etc---and they were once a part of your organizations--and they were only following their dreams---just like you were before you were furloughed. A furlough isn't fun for anyone, including their families.


N2246J,

I did read about that case and have noticed that Comair RJ's have been added to the STBY fleet at the MAT (Marine Air Terminal) at LGA. But, as of this month, STBY lines have been re-added to Shuttle crews bid packets--showing that the customers expect certain airplanes on the Shuttle----and will go to USAir if they don't get it. I know the RJs have been doing BOS-DCA for over a year now, and those loads do necessitate an RJ. But, the proven loads between LGA and BOS/DCA have increased as of late and that has prompted our crew schedulers to add the STBY lines back. Those customers are very picky.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FlyComAirJets]

FDJ2, is that you FlyDeltaJets? Welcome back, son! I thought you had been sent screaming from the board weeks ago. Fly Delta Jets Part Deux, I get it.

It will be refreshing to get some of that old rampant emotionalism completely devoid of reason.

I thought they were kinda piling up on GeeLee (if Jennifer Lopez can be called J Lo then it figures that General Lee can be called Gee Lee) lately. Nice to have you back.

 

[General Lee]

Wasn't GeeLee a bad movie? I can't believe they broke up!!


Bye bye--General Lee

 

[FDJ2]

FDJ2, is that you FlyDeltaJets?

Nope.

 

[captainv]

Gen. Lee: I know the RJs have been doing BOS-DCA for over a year now, and those loads do necessitate an RJ. But, the proven loads between LGA and BOS/DCA have increased as of late and that has prompted our crew schedulers to add the STBY lines back. Those customers are very picky.


I flew one of the shuttles from LGA-DCA-LGA early in Sept. when we first started those shuttle flights. What a cluster!

We busted our humps to get ready WAY early, and then Ops can't get a release until 3 minutes before scheduled push. Nice. And then they hold us 20 minutes to see if anyone else shows up - pissing off the pax already on board. So much for sticking religiously to push times. we took 7 to DCA, came back empty (!). still had to go to the MAT to get the sandbags out of the hold before taxiing back to the blast fence.

hopefully this has been smoothed out since then. i actually hope they do give the shuttle flights back to DAL. having to reposition a/c at LGA to switch between regular and shuttle flights just doesn't make much sense...

 

[DDpaysoff]

We are the root of the worlds problems. We are the devil, like Bobby Boushea's mom said, Comair is the devil. Now, with that out of the way will you people stop talking about and jerking off to comair? I am beginning to think you are going to use that bobble head comair doll as a dildo. If you don't like your contract so be it. Don't bithc at us because ours is superior, and delta don't bithch at us because we won't get on all fours for you. CHQ stop bragging that you are the cheapest. To DAL CMR ASA stop playing leo's game...unite. To the rest of you......put in an application. Later.

 

[General Lee]

DDPAYSOFF,

Well said, and funny at the same time.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[scopeCMRandASA]

Re: Re: Comair Rumors

Actually, ALPA, at the behest of the DMEC, sued Delta Air Lines over their family members at Comair flying the Delta Shuttle. Something about "traditional Delta flying" and "the quality of the product."

Judge Glasser declared it a minor dispute and threw it out of court.

Actually, he said that that the coutroom was the wrong forum, and it was thrown out. It was grieved, and the company stopped doing it before the grievance was heard. As was explained to me anyway by a former DAL MEC member I know..

As for the Delta pilots leaving ALPA, their contract is still binding until they negotiate a new one. And yes, scope still applies. There is a clause that forces Delta to comply with the Delta PWA when signing others. Deal with it, shark man.

--a concerned regional pilot

 

[General Lee]

Ouch.

 

[FLB717]

Nothing is more entertaining than Pilots who dont undertand a little law called "Raiway labor Act of 1923" I think 1923? Combined with my Dad can beat up your Dad. One more reason Im glad Im not part of the "Delta Fam".

A Contract is formed under the RLA it is binding to all parties no matter who is now or in the future the bargenning agent. All rules are inforce until a new CBA (Colletive Bargining Agreement) is made or the relationship desolves (Ch. 11 - 7 or merger) Mergersd are part 2 and required much more patience than I currently have.

Sorry for my horrible spelling if any notices, someone always does.

 

[scopeCMRandASA]

Sorry for my horrible spelling if any notices, someone always does.

Isn't it funny how they do just that?

I'll second your being glad not to be affiliated. I'm out ASAP.

--a concerned regional pilot

 

[N2264J]

Actually, he said that that the coutroom was the wrong forum, and it was thrown out. It was grieved, and the company stopped doing it before the grievance was heard. As was explained to me anyway by a former DAL MEC member I know..

--a concerned regional pilot

Is that right? Comair pilots no longer operate the Shuttle?

No kidding. That grievance must have been so much more effective than the DMEC's embarrassment in court.

Originally posted by scopeCMRandASA
I have flown with the senior contingent at Comair. Have you? Being one of those, I can only assume you are, you would not fly with them would you? I would, and have.

By the way, when was the last time you did your revisions?

 

[scopeCMRandASA]

Is that right? Comair pilots no longer operate the Shuttle?

Yet another one of our pilots whose ego gets in the way. The fact that Comair is doing the Shuttle now is irrelevant. You referred to the issue back under the Delta pilot's old contract which specified Shuttle work rules and conditions. The new contract does not. I followed it closely as I was also interested in it at the time. Apparently, Delta management figured they were going to lose it as they stopped the flying at the time. The judge had thrown it out of court as the imptoper forum. Yet more proof, however as to why the Delta pilots will not talk to us. We can't just admit that we were wrong.

By the way, when was the last time you did your revisions?

No, I am not FDJ.

--a concerned regional pilot