Comair purchase by Chautauqua rumor?

[ERJDRVR]

You decide. Maybe there is a reason there is going to be 150 CHQ departures out of CVG starting next month.
No flame just posting what I see.
For the record, we want to add you guys about as much as you want to be here.

I have been receiving a steady stream of emails from folks who are hearing rumors about
Expressjet and trying to confirm the rumor mill with me. I’m sorry to disappoint people by telling
them I don’t have a clue what XJT is going to do with the 69 aircraft they are pulling from the CO
program, but that is the truth. There are certainly no big expansion opportunities out there that
we are aware of for the deployment of small RJs. Well I guess the one big opportunity is for the
replacement of some of the 69 aircraft that XJT is taking away from CO, but somehow I don’t
think XJT is in the running for any of that flying. The biggest threat to our ability to grow and/or
redeploy small RJs is the significant number of CRJ-200s that remain on the market after the
demise of Independence Air. Those aircraft are leasing out for about $40,000 per month less
than what we are paying for our 50 seat aircraft. And since we don’t have a CRJ platform it is
difficult for us to compete with Mesa, TSA and Skywest for those new flying opportunities. We
have explored the possibility of adding the CRJ to our Chautauqua operating platform but the cost
of increased crew training and the resulting transition training we expose ourselves to on our
other large RJ flying puts us at a big economic disadvantage to the other regional airlines that
already fly the CRJ product. We have had some exploratory discussions with the pilots union to
see if there are some creative ways to mitigate this.​

 

[ASACAPT]

Looks like Chitaco is next for concessions, " we are talking with the pilots union to find a creative solution to their inability to compete....." Sounds like something we have been hearing from our management. Maybee its time for all of us now to take a stance and not give back anything to management, in order to attempt to preserve this proffession.

 

[ERJDRVR]

Maybee its time for all of us now to take a stance and not give back anything to management, in order to attempt to preserve this proffession.

Maybe the smartest thing you have said on here.

 

[Apache 5]

I'm happy for chickentaco, if they buy comair hopefully they will get rid of all of the white and blue nameless 145s...good luck ASA and Comair guys, the chickens are coming to underbid you.

 

[The Drizzle]

I believe this is what touched off the CHQ EC and the Comair MEC meeting last month. Trying to draw and hold a line is going to be tough in DCI colors with SkyWest and Freedom in the mix.

 

[The Drizzle]

good luck ASA and Comair guys, the chickens are coming to underbid you.

jesus tapdancing christ, you have no idea what you are talking about

 

[bvt1151]

I think the CHQ/Comair sale fell through when the flight attendents revelled in their hardball stance. My guess is Chautauqua is looking for any way they can fill that 69 aircraft Continental flying. There's only CRJ's in the desert, so if they want the aircraft now, they'd need a CRJ cert.

This doesn't mean that after the judge gets what it can out of Comair that it won't happen anyways.

 

[h25b]

We have had some exploratory discussions with the pilots union to see if there are some creative ways to mitigate this.

In other words, maybe we could revive the old PFT game....

 

[FlyingDawg]

Maybe they talked to the union about fencing Comair if the purchase took place in an effort to reduce training cost. The Chautauqua/RAH contract requires one seniority list.

 

[BlueCanoe]

1) Uh no...no "concessions". We are still fighting the concessionary contract ALPA (a union that wouldn't represent us 'cause we're too small) forced on the commuters in the mid-70's by creating us.
2) RAH has NEVER had a concessionary contract. Keep in mind we were a $hitbox of an airline until '99, but every contract we've had has built upon the previous.
3) I'm poor, drunk and sick of booger eating morons that have no KNOWLEDGE of a subject post.

Good day...

 

[sleddriver77]

You decide. Maybe there is a reason there is going to be 150 CHQ departures out of CVG starting next month.

It seems to us that we're just there to pick up more of Comair's "trash." That is, CVG to LEX/SDF/EVV/IND/CMH/FWA/SBN/ERI/PIT/TRI/TYS/CLE and all kinda junk from 20 minutes to just under one hour. Couple these short block times with our epic 3+ hour sits in CVG and it makes for some crappy, crappy pairings.

 

[bvt1151]

It seems to us that we're just there to pick up more of Comair's "trash." That is, CVG to LEX/SDF/EVV/IND/CMH/FWA/SBN/ERI/PIT/TRI/TYS/CLE and all kinda junk from 20 minutes to just under one hour. Couple these short block times with our epic 3+ hour sits in CVG and it makes for some crappy, crappy pairings.

LOL! Welcome to the true Delta network! We've been doing those for years while you guys enjoyed the low cost structures of long stage lengths. Now that they're trying to sell us you guys get to do what we've been doing for 15+ years while we take the lower costs of long haul.

You wanted our flying so bad, don't whine when you finally get it.

 

[SoberIrishman]

"Chickentaco" has been good to me on my commute when I have needed the jumpseat, HOWEVER, can that darn airplane ever carry a full load of passengers? More than once I can't even get the jumpseat because they are weight limited and sometimes take off with only 47 people on board, and that's on a good day!

Seems like a pretty useless machine to me, but then it's a jet Brasilia. They won't win any friends if they continue bumping passengers on these short routes out of CVG, so maybe they won't hold on to them very long.

Good luck Comair & ASA!

 

[labbats]

"Chickentaco" has been good to me on my commute when I have needed the jumpseat, HOWEVER, can that darn airplane ever carry a full load of passengers? More than once I can't even get the jumpseat because they are weight limited and sometimes take off with only 47 people on board, and that's on a good day!

Seems like a pretty useless machine to me, but then it's a jet Brasilia. They won't win any friends if they continue bumping passengers on these short routes out of CVG, so maybe they won't hold on to them very long.

Good luck Comair & ASA!

That's because the Embraer was predicated on previous passenger weights. After the Mesa crash, the new passenger weights imposed on the industry made a full flight with a decent amount of fuel/bags impossible.

On a lighter note, Embraer finally got off their duffs and is just waiting for the FAA to sign off on a $55000 per plane upgrade that would raise that limiting weight by roughly 1000lbs.

 

[SoberIrishman]

That's a load of cash - I wonder will they buy off on it, cause they sure need to improve it somehow. We have the same problem with the CRJ, but it appears there may be no leeway to improve it much.

Thanks for the reply.

 

[labbats]

I think they will buy off on it for no reason other than fuel consumption. We're burning insane amounts just to satisfy our limiting landing weights. That very landing weight and our zero fuel weight are what is kicking you (and me) off of flights and is exactly what will get fixed. I would hope that a one time heavy check of $55000 would be peanuts compared to our fuel loss and passenger payouts.

Apologies for sidetracking this discussion. I just hear about the limits of the ERJ a lot and wanted to clear some confusion up.

 

[Bluestreak]

"Chickentaco" has been good to me on my commute when I have needed the jumpseat, HOWEVER, can that darn airplane ever carry a full load of passengers? More than once I can't even get the jumpseat because they are weight limited and sometimes take off with only 47 people on board, and that's on a good day!

Seems like a pretty useless machine to me, but then it's a jet Brasilia. They won't win any friends if they continue bumping passengers on these short routes out of CVG, so maybe they won't hold on to them very long.

Good luck Comair & ASA!

You've never jumpseated on an Air Whiskey CRJ have you ? They're almost always weight restricted PIT-LGA,at least.

 

[SennaP1]

It seems to us that we're just there to pick up more of Comair's "trash." That is, CVG to LEX/SDF/EVV/IND/CMH/FWA/SBN/ERI/PIT/TRI/TYS/CLE and all kinda junk from 20 minutes to just under one hour. Couple these short block times with our epic 3+ hour sits in CVG and it makes for some crappy, crappy pairings.

One mans "trash" is another man's treasure. All the FL guys are finally getting a taste of the good Delta Flying.

 

[crjdxr]

@#$ Zfw

The ZFW on the E-120 was the same bugger...I don't have any experience with the jet product, but it sounds like the kids from Brasil are consistent.

I also apologize for being off-topic. Back to bashing Big Daddy D's milk runs and the joys of being Skooter Trash.

I think they will buy off on it for no reason other than fuel consumption. We're burning insane amounts just to satisfy our limiting landing weights. That very landing weight and our zero fuel weight are what is kicking you (and me) off of flights and is exactly what will get fixed. I would hope that a one time heavy check of $55000 would be peanuts compared to our fuel loss and passenger payouts.

Apologies for sidetracking this discussion. I just hear about the limits of the ERJ a lot and wanted to clear some confusion up.

 

[BlueCanoe]

We've flown trash routes for 30 years, just not in DL colors. A lot of our displaced FL folk have never flown out of the state of FL, or at most out of the SE. I guess this is their reality check....

 

[The Drizzle]

A lot of our displaced FL folk have never flown out of the state of FL, or at most out of the SE. I guess this is their reality check....

yeah, gonna be a scary fall and winter in the NE for some of those folks

 

[wmuflyguy]

It seems to us that we're just there to pick up more of Comair's "trash." That is, CVG to LEX/SDF/EVV/IND/CMH/FWA/SBN/ERI/PIT/TRI/TYS/CLE and all kinda junk from 20 minutes to just under one hour. Couple these short block times with our epic 3+ hour sits in CVG and it makes for some crappy, crappy pairings.

Some of the old ACA do-jet routes. Someone has to do it. Comair couldn't possibly do all that flying anyway. We are seriously short pilots and it seems like we can barely fly what we have.

It doesn't bother me that CHQ is over in A doing the flying. ACA used to be there. Anyone know how many departures they had a day out of CVG?