Comair pilots also didn't know their flight number or what city they were in

[FmrFreightDog]

Good thing they have phone books in the rooms

No kidding....

My habit is to take the little paper sleeve that the hotel key card comes in and write on it three things:

1) City I'm in
2) Van time
3) Room #s of the rest of the crew

When it's time for bed, I prop the little envelope up against the alarm clock. That way, when I wake up in a panic at 3:30 in the morning not knowing where I am or when I need to get up, all I have to do is look over at the alarm clock. I tell this to people outside the industy and the look at me like I'm insane. Hell, our neighbors look at my wife like she's crazy when they ask where I am and she says, "Ummm.... I'm not sure...."

Nature of the business.


Oh yeah, inevitably I leave my little cheat sheet propped up against the clock while the room key makes its way back to my house in the back pocket of my jeans. My dryer makes lots of noise due to the sheer number of room keys caught in the lint trap *sigh*

 

[Indy319FA]

My habit is to take the little paper sleeve that the hotel key card comes in and write on it three things:

1) City I'm in
2) Van time
3) Room #s of the rest of the crew

I do this as well. Always helps to be able to tell the wife where I am......

Nature of the business.

No Kidding.....

Also how many times do you go to a room, only to realize its the room number you had yesterday or last week.........

Or when people ask you where you are going this week and are amazed when you can't tell them but you'll know when you print out your pairings in the crew room.

Or how many times have you overnighted in a city with maintenance or several overnighters, and seen the crew preflight the wrong plane or rampies loading the wrong plane.

 

[Indy319FA]

People are totally ignorant about our industry, yet the will get onboard ANY airplane with two warm bodies up front.

Unfortunately for us all JO and BB figured this out a long time ago.....

 

[Torpid]

My neighbor, a preacher, asked if it was common practice to let an inexperienced crew member actually fly the plane... referencing the co-pilot flying.

I always had to contain myself from laughing when I was an FO and was asked "so....when are you going to be a Pilot."

 

[B727FA]

I flew to KLEX yesterday and you should hear everything that is out of service. Almost every light on the taxiway and runway ways are out of service. I can see now how someone could mistakenly depart on the wrong runway. But then again its a simple check to see what your mag compass says. If it says 260 ish...and your taking 22.....something is wrong.

That's part of the issue with a rolling start...you look and see 20-something...and it's still spinning and you go. If you position and hold you're going to get a good compass read.

They're told "dark runway" and they see a dark runway...

At the end of the taxi you turn left onto the active...only in this case (b/c of the blocked taxi way) it's *2* lefts to get to the right runway...

Many small links in the chain.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

That's part of the issue with a rolling start...you look and see 20-something...and it's still spinning and you go. If you position and hold you're going to get a good compass read.

They're told "dark runway" and they see a dark runway...

At the end of the taxi you turn left onto the active...only in this case (b/c of the blocked taxi way) it's *2* lefts to get to the right runway...

Many small links in the chain.

Huh? See the cockpit door; you belong on the cabin side.

 

[B727FA]

Huh? See the cockpit door; you belong on the cabin side.

Huh? See the yoke? Yank it and let go of *your* yoke.

 

[n32jk]

Let me get this straight, so far we have:

Wrong plane.
Wrong flight number.
Wrong city.
Wrong runway.

How many 121 airline flights have you commanded?
under your name does that say unemployed or unemployable???
lay off the crew you have no clue what you are talking about

 

[Joe Schmo]

Right on!

I am also getting lots of questions from neighbors/friends/relatives, etc., about this. But again, look at the media...they always refer that '....pilot did this, pilot did that' and always talk in a 'singular' tense and never mention that all airline flying in the US requires two pilots and most plane can't be flown with one pilot and that two pilots are equally contributing to flight duties and both are just as well qualified to land and take off and perform other duties.

Happened to my colleague at ORD, once guy came in to cockpit to visit after flight and commended the captain on making a smooth landing. Upon being told that the F/O made the landing, he said: "...do you let him do that?"

I rest my case.

Bunny

How's this for a comment,

Passengar: "Hey are you the Captain"

Me: "No"

Passengar: "Tell the Captain good job"

Me: "I'll be sure to pass that along"


Good point on your earlier comment, the public and the media is going to blow every little thing out of proportion. Just because they call out Toledo tower instead of kentucky tower that doesn't mean didn't know where they are.

 

[T2Pilot]

If you're going to spread unsubstantiated rumors about the crew I say we tell everyone that the crew was too distracted by their financial situation since they make less than the guy flipping burgers. Maybe then the flying public will be willing to pay a dollar or two more per leg if it went to the people who are directly responsible for their lives instead of management's golden parachutes.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Unfortunatly, once the CVR tapes are released they will be crucified even more by the press. Ie. Pinnalce

 

[imacdog]

Unfortunatly, once the CVR tapes are released they will be crucified even more by the press. Ie. Pinnalce

Why is that? Initial reports about the CVR indicated it was fairly routine, unlike the Pinnacle flight.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Why is that? Initial reports about the CVR indicated it was fairly routine, unlike the Pinnacle flight.

Those feds just love to find the smallest details that point to negligence, regardless if they contributed to this accident. And the media swarms all over it not to mention all those greedy lawyers who just live for this sort of thing. It's really sickening.

 

[Guitar rocker]

My neighbor, a preacher, asked if it was common practice to let an inexperienced crew member actually fly the plane... referencing the co-pilot flying.

.

Did your preacher ever fly on UAL? He might have been suprised who was up front!

 

[Richard Gozinya]

So?

Stupid Headline anyway. I doubt that they didn't know what city they were in.

I once inadvertently called my wife by my ex wife's name (she was being annoying so it was a conditioned response).

I knew where I was.

I knew who she was.

Still used the wrong name.

It didn't make the paper though.

At this point, you quickly look her dead in the eyes and say;

"Would you rather me be in bed with you screaming her name, or in bed with her screaming your name?

Dick

 

[Guitar rocker]

At this point, you quickly look her dead in the eyes and say;

"Would you rather me be in bed with you screaming her name, or in bed with her screaming your name?

Dick

Thats one hot cupcake yah got there for an avatar.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

Thats one hot cupcake yah got there for an avatar.

Thanks, its my wife, I mean my ex-wife, no, girlfriend, no next door neighbor.... Oh hell, just call'm all sweetie.

Racquel Welch, always just a thought away from reality!

Dick

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Thanks, its my wife, I mean my ex-wife, no, girlfriend, no next door neighbor.... Oh hell, just call'm all sweetie.

Racquel Welch, always just a thought away from reality!

Dick

Racquel Welch??!!

...yeah, for her time. You must be on old timer eh?

I'll take a Paris Hilton or the like. Something more contemporary!

 

[scangadah]

[
I once inadvertently called my wife by my ex wife's name (she was being annoying so it was a conditioned response).

I knew where I was.

I knew who she was.

Still used the wrong name.

It didn't make the paper though.

...and that's a good thing![/quote]

Were you "doing" her at the time?

 

[HarryParatestes]

Thanks, its my wife, I mean my ex-wife, no, girlfriend, no next door neighbor.... Oh hell, just call'm all sweetie.

Racquel Welch, always just a thought away from reality!

Dick

Racquel Welch? She doesn't swing her arms when she dances.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

Racquel Welch? She doesn't swing her arms when she dances.

Yea, her two favorite songs are Wango Tango and Horizontal Bop! The first by the great TED NUGENT!

Dick

 

[moscowcfi]

Very irresponsible of you. This information is false and you should wait for facts to come up before making these ridiculous posts.

Let me get this straight, so far we have:

Wrong plane.
Wrong flight number.
Wrong city.
Wrong runway.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Very irresponsible of you. This information is false and you should wait for facts to come up before making these ridiculous posts.

Hardly irresponsible. My list only summed up what had been discussed and stated at length in the several individual threads concerning this accident as well as what has been officially reported. These were established facts - not hearsay, media-style drivel.

 

[atrdriver]

Hardly irresponsible. My list only summed up what had been discussed and stated at length in the several individual threads concerning this accident as well as what has been officially reported. These were established facts - not hearsay, media-style drivel.

Yes, irresponsible. You obviously have ZERO 121 experience. When you are at a station that has multiple overnighting planes, if your release has not yet printed you go to the aircraft the ground crew tells you is going to operate the flight. I can't count how many times I have done that and ended up on the wrong one, only to have to go repeat everything on teh correct one. If you don't know what goes on out here then you need to keep your mouth shut.

 

[mac36]

Hardly irresponsible. My list only summed up what had been discussed and stated at length in the several individual threads concerning this accident as well as what has been officially reported. These were established facts - not hearsay, media-style drivel.

No, irresponsible sums it up pretty nicely. The "wrong city" myth originated with, and has since been retracted by none other than the NTSB itself.

Don't take my word for it, go to Lexington Kentucky's local newspaper website and look it up www.kentucky.com

Wait for the final report.

 

[geojet707]

Let me get this straight, so far we have:

Wrong plane.
Wrong flight number.
Wrong city.
Wrong runway.

Do us all a favor and keep your fact reporting to yourself. We all have either heard or read the "reported" facts on this terrible accident. There is no need to further educate us with your slighted point if view. I believe the NTSB is highly trained to sort out the real facts.

Remember, there are families suffering because of this tragedy. There is also an individual in a hospital bed facing a very difficult physical and emotional struggle ahead. At the very least, you could show a little respect for them by keeping your arm chair investigation to yourself.

You want to debate an issue, this is a place for that. Don't however crucify, as you can be crucified one day yourself.

 

[uba757]

Amish, Have you ever flown for an airline? If you have, then you would know that it is common to confuse flight numbers and the city you are in. If you are answering the question without any personal experience, then you are being irresponsible and if you are answering the question with personal experience, then you are just being an irrational JACK-A$$. You have to wait for all the information to come out, not just bits and pieces. UBA757

 

[Amish RakeFight]

First post of thread.

Families: NTSB Said Pilot Called Out Wrong City To Control Tower

var wn_last_ed_date = getLEDate("Sept8,2006,11:38 AM EST"); document.write(wn_last_ed_date);
(LEXINGTON, Ky.) -- A published report says two people related to passengers who died aboard Comair Flight 5191 said investigators told them one of the pilots called out the wrong flight number and city before the plane crashed.
The Lexington Herald-Leader reports that National Transportation Safety Board officials told families that in talking to the control tower when the pilots were about to take off, one of the pilots gave the wrong flight number and said "Toledo."

Second post.

Let me get this straight, so far we have:

Wrong plane.
Wrong flight number.
Wrong city.
Wrong runway.

This was in response to the “irresponsible” post from above. As you might see, my comment clearly summed up what had at that point been reported by the NTSB. As reported, I never made any insensitive remarks about the crew as you have stated. My post above was to outline what had been reported at that point in time and is clearly devoid of any judgment. In fact, one might goes as far as interpreting this as sarcasim on the part of what had been reported.

Fourth post.

As these mistakes can and do occur regularly without incident, this will surely help point fingers at that crew.

Hmmmmm…. What’s that you say Amish, that these mistakes can and do occur regularly without incident (i.e. intrinsic errors built into the dispatch system), and oh, the media now will surely point fingers at the crew.

Fast forward 4 pages and 54 posts later.

Yes, irresponsible. You obviously have ZERO 121 experience. When you are at a station that has multiple overnighting planes, if your release has not yet printed you go to the aircraft the ground crew tells you is going to operate the flight. I can't count how many times I have done that and ended up on the wrong one, only to have to go repeat everything on teh correct one. If you don't know what goes on out here then you need to keep your mouth shut.

No $hit? Is that how it’s done on the ATR? Spare me your profundity of 121. Most of us here understand the system too.

Post 56

Do us all a favor and keep your fact reporting to yourself. We all have either heard or read the "reported" facts on this terrible accident. There is no need to further educate us with your slighted point if view. I believe the NTSB is highly trained to sort out the real facts.

They are highly trained and my comment was in response to what was reported by them. Everything I stated was true at that point in time. Period. It was fact without any value thrown in.

Post 57

Amish, Have you ever flown for an airline? If you have, then you would know that it is common to confuse flight numbers and the city you are in. If you are answering the question without any personal experience, then you are being irresponsible and if you are answering the question with personal experience, then you are just being an irrational JACK-A$$. You have to wait for all the information to come out, not just bits and pieces. UBA757

See above.

Get off the Amish-bashing bandwagon dude.

This site keeps perpetually bashing each others airline, flight school academy and poster.

 

[atrdriver]

No $hit? Is that how it’s done on the ATR? Spare me your profundity of 121. Most of us here understand the system too.

Yeah idiot, that's how it's done on the ATR, and the CRJ, and the 737, and the MD80, and the 777. And you're right, MOST of us DO understand how the system works. Unfortunatly you don't, and you are the one running your mouth.

 

[Joe Schmo]

Amish I bet you have have alot of time reading newspapers being unemployed and all. A little advice, if you ever want to make it in this industry you might not want to be so critical of others, especially the dead.