Comair Pilot arrested in PA

[MetroSheriff]

As for ifly4food, I was a captain for over two years so don't tell me about hard work and "earning" things until you have held that title.

As for Timebuilder, when was the last time in an airport? You said "several" times. Wow several, that is a lot.

I really don't need some punk to tell me about an attitude.

Ohhhhh.....you are a salty 'ol dog, huh?

 

[Doozer]

These days, common sense is an uncommon virtue.

 

[Typhoon1244]

As for ifly4food, I was a captain for over two years so don't tell me about hard work and "earning" things until you have held that title.

I don't know if ifly4food is a captain or not...although I think he is. In any case, he clearly has more respect for the title than you do...which is a shame since you were one for "over two years." Wow!

I really don't need some punk to tell me about an attitude.

Okay, what if someone who isn't a punk says you have a lousy attitude? It doesn' surprise me, though. I have not communicated with a single former-airline-pilot security official who didn't have a huge chip on their shoulder about pilots in general and captains in particular.

I wonder why that is...

 

[Timebuilder]

As for Timebuilder, when was the last time in an airport? You said "several" times. Wow several, that is a lot. Obviously you are an expert on just about everything with over 1700 posts. It is just not aviation or security.

Actually, one dose of this nonsense would have been enough for me. "Several times" is only the tip of a very large iceberg, and the time period is over the last eight months. I have been a pilot and a passenger since the mid sixties, but I have been thinking for my entire life. I seem to be getting better at thinking as I get older. I hope that means I am on a path of wisdom. The more I learn, the more I realize that I know so little.

As far as being an "expert", if schooling myself in several disciplines qualifies me as such, then so be it. I left journalism behind just a few years before I left broadcasting. Frankly, I have found flying to be a more enjoyable use of my time; something I should have pursued when I was ten, and that Tri-Pacer was a "new" airplane.

I guess I have over 1700 posts because that journalist organism has become a part of me, like a "Borg" has permanent implants. Instead of being compelled to assimilate, I am compelled to disseminate. That, and I enjoy the people here, the many kinds of pilots, the personalities, the attitudes. Some share my passion for flying, some share my passion for the constitution and freedom, and some share my passion for the savior. All in all, we have a lot to share, and this is one of the best places available to do that. The world has changed for us, and many formerly unconnected aspects of our society are now a part of the forces that will steer the aviation industry into the next century.

I guess that means we have a lot to talk about.

Here, we were talking about security. Most of the pilots here didn't like your tone. Maybe you feel you have good reason to be a little edgy, I don't know. So, you can throw me in with the group you call "punks", but realize this: I'm a punk that is almost old enough to be your father, and I've been up and down the street a couple of times. While I don't know you well enough to tell if you're a great guy, I can tell you that trying to defend a program of smoke and mirrors as being an effective tool against terrorism makes no sense to me, and it probably makes less sense to the many 121 pilots here.

And thanks, I will check the TSA website so I can print out my right to carry a nail file, so I won't have a problem the next time I go commercial to pick up a plane somewhere.

 

[flyhard]

Timebuilder I apologize. Put yourself in my shoes. Training people for seven weeks in a row, you tend to have some pride in what you do. I am not defending the stupidity but I am defending the screeeners that do their job by the book.

I will always be on the pilots side no matter what. Hopefully things will get better in the months to come.

 

[Timebuilder]

No problem.

I never have an issue with someone doing their job well. If the job being done is a dog-and-pony show, I get irritated.

I think most pilots resent being treated like a potential virus when they are instead a part of the body which has been attacked.

The trusted traveller card won't come a day too soon for me.

 

[d328pilot]

Anyone that thinks that the TSA or any other agency can keep weapons off of airplanes, is living in a fantasy land. It is an impossible task. Just ask a cop or corrections officer if they are able to keep weapons out of prisons. It is impossible to do that, and a prison is much more secure than an airport. Security will just be window dressing until they take it seriously. That will involve profiling people....Screening is still ineffective, it just cost a lot more. The fact that the TSA is larger than the coast guard makes me sick. That money could be much better spent in other "homeland security" projects. Screening rules should not be the same for everyone. As it has been stated thousands of times, i have a sharp lethal weapon next to my seat. Why cant i have a leatherman? It makes no sense. I laugh when grandma get searched every time, and 5 guys that fit the "current profile" do not get searched. How about in PIT, the commendant of West Point's attache got searched. That makes a lot of sense. I was waiting for them to make him take off his uniform insignia because they had sharp metal points on them...or al gore? as much as i dislike him, what a joke....i doubt he is a threat to national security....it is plain and simple....expensive windowdressing


TSA= thousands standing around

 

[Typhoon1244]

Thus far, I only have one serious complaint about the TSA: nine times out of ten, you can't get on the train to south employee parking at DFW because it's jam packed with TSA agents going on or off duty! (They also took away half of my favorite parking lot...but I guess they have to park somewhere.)

 

[Hawker rider]

"secret squirrel handshake"

I haven't laughed so hard in a while.

If you're really determined it isn't hard to get a social security number that isn't in your name that you were born with, the same with starting a credithistory or even getting credit cards in an 'alias'.
So unless profiling is allowed all of this isn't going to bring a satisfying solution.

Yes, the public might be satisfied but the problem wouldn't be solved. i think we can (and should have, by now) learn a lot from Israeli Airlines like ElAl they have been concerned with this for a little longer than us.
But then again, if the public thinks it's OK..........that's what it is mostly about right???

 

[Typhoon1244]

Hawker rider:

You really should paste a copy of your avatar on your company ID! I love it...

 

[Loafman]

I'm not saying it's impossible to forge documents. I'm saying it's a lot harder to forge a data trail associated with one's past. If a potential passenger fails to cross-check on a couple of profiling points, THEN he get's the additional analprobe.

 

[Ty Webb]

Every Village has an Idiot- you are ours

First of all it would have been easier to quote my entire response. Maybe you need to step into reality and realize that people do not give a $hit that you are a pilot, so the rules are not going to change. If they did then where would the line be drawn?

You seem to have a problem using common sense, perhaps that is why you were a "trainer of screeners". Let mne try to clear up a couple of things for you:

The difference between a pilot and the public, is that the pilot doesn;t need a weapon to access the flight deck, since he ALREADY HAS ACCESS TO THE FLIGHT DECK. The other difference is that the PILOT has completed a background check.

That is why we should not be treated with the same suspicion as a passenger . . . . . understand?

Do us a favor, and find another industry . . . because it is very clear you don't belong in this one. That probably has more to do with why you aren;t a working pilot than 9/11.

Many of the pilots who play a part in the hiring process at various airlines frequent this board . . . hopefully, after reading your comments and seeing the lack of respect you have for the members of this profession, they will make sure to not hire you. I sure hope so.

 

[flyhard]

Ty that sure is a long list of assumptions. Please tell me why you think I have no respect for aviation profession?

I was simply trying to bring out a side other than the one we see as pilots. Sure I have the utmost respect for any pilot from a 150 driver on up. The fact is that the people who are not pilots ( TSA and the general public) don't understand that. Like I said hopefully things will change in the future.

As far as being hired by another airline. Believe it or not I've got a couple of offers already. So I think it might be a little to late for that.

Hopefully this clears up any more assumption you want to bring to the table. Until then take care Ty, you sure do seem to be a heck of a nice guy.

 

[Ty Webb]

I'll just let your posts and mine speak for themselves.

 

[Corbon]

Anyone know why the rampies get to waltz right past security and have unrestricted ramp access while we have to get molested and possibly arrested for wondering too far away from ops or the aircraft? Am I to believe they have earned more trust than flight crews? I don't get it

 

[Timebuilder]

I few months ago, I was in a 55 out in St. Louis, and I was taking a picture of the airplane on that sunny afternoon. One of the line guys actually said that airport security might think that thirty feet was too great a distance for me to be standing from the aircraft!!

 

[FN FAL]

Wow, how time flies.

 

[Say Again Over]

Anyone know why the rampies get to waltz right past security and have unrestricted ramp access while we have to get molested and possibly arrested for wondering too far away from ops or the aircraft? Am I to believe they have earned more trust than flight crews? I don't get it
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Can't believe it took so long for someone to bring this up, also, in my home town (LAS), the kid working at Burger King goes through less screening than I do with a 121 ID, go figure.

 

[RefugePilot]

I used my newly aquired flight priveledges (thanks SWA) to fly back and visit my girlfriend halfway across the country.

I have not passed my 135 checkride yet but am still employed as a pilot so I can fly jumpseat, just not in the cockpit. I have not been issued my epalets yet but bought some to make it easier to travel. The only thing that differentiated me from someone who bought a Van Huesen shirt and epalets was a company ID which could easily done on a computer.

To make things interesting, I was a rushed going through screeening as I was a little late. I forgot to take out my computer so was pulled aside for special screening. After removing my computer and sending it and my bag through the Xray a second time, the TSA agent started to go through my bag. I was wondering what they were looking for. Somehow between all my power cables and lots of other electronics they saw something. In my Dob kit was the smallest swiss army knife. It was smaller than my pinkey, old and duller than the plastic cutlery given with an airline meal, but it was a knife and it was confiscated.

I have heard of another story of someone who tried to carry a lighter onboard that had belonged to frank sinatra or someone famous. It had no fuel, flint or any other dangerous components, but was still confiscated. I imagine all those other components could be with someone else and be put together to make a working lighter. As a knife carried through by a pilot could be passed to someone else.

It seems impossible to catch everything that could go wrong with airport security but it is nice that they are trying. The aviation industry has enough problems without any more security concerns. Unless you are registered to carry a firearm, you should carefully check your bag, and even though you are a pilot do not raise a fuss when you are put through extra security, especially if you might have packed a knife in your bag.

The extra security may be a pain in the butt, but it is our jobs being protected and at least we don't have to wait in line.

 

[FN FAL]

Unless you are registered to carry a firearm, you should carefully check your bag.

What does registered to carry a firearm mean and where do I find this "registration", at the "registrars" office?

 

[dingo222]

FN FAL,

You have to send in six cereal box tops and 4.99 plus shipping and handling to register............FYI

 

[Mr Wu]

While going through security in IAD a few months back the most f'ed up thing occurred that I have ever seen.

I'm deadheading for an assignment that required me to transfer between DCA and IAD. It's the first time I've had the pleasure of going through this particular airport's security. I go to a screener that is all the way down to the left because that is closest to where I need to go and there is no line. They tell me that I need to go to the crew line.

"Where is that."

"All the way down the other end."

"I'm in the back today."

"Doesn't matter, you're crew. Go down there."

"No. I have a ticket and you are open, I want to go through here."

3 striper arrives.

"Is there a problem, sir"

Screener tells him the story.

He tells me I can go through but I have to put my ID in my bag. WTF?????

 

[wmuflyguy]

How about this one. I read it someplace the other day. Some middle-aged woman was going through a security checkpoint with a present for her son or grandchild, not important. Anyway, it was a 12 inch G.I. Joe doll with a small two to three inch plastic machine-gun. The brilliant TSAgent confiscated the dolls plastic gun because federal regulations dont allow replica guns onboard aircraft. These TSA folks are sharp!

The guy probably just needed a gift for his son. He was too cheap to go to walmart and drop $14.95, so he used the blanket excuse "importance of national secuirty" to confiscate the doll.

I'm going to get a job at a TSA checkpoint for the holidays and do my christmas shopping that way.

 

[onthestreet]

I just wonder what Timebuilder is up to.

 

[RefugePilot]

What does registered to carry a firearm mean and where do I find this "registration", at the "registrars" office?

I remember talk at one time of allowing airline pilots to carry weapons. I am not sure if it was allowed or not. Was it?

My dad had a "permit to carry a concealed firearm". It would have sounded even stranger if I said permitted to carry a firearm.

 

[FN FAL]

I remember talk at one time of allowing airline pilots to carry weapons. I am not sure if it was allowed or not. Was it?

My dad had a "permit to carry a concealed firearm". It would have sounded even stranger if I said permitted to carry a firearm.

For Immediate Release: November 3, 2003

BELLEVUE, WA—The decision Monday by Wayne County, Mich. Prosecutor Michael Duggan to charge former Detroit Police Chief Jerry Oliver for having an unregistered handgun was “the right thing to do,” said Joe Waldron, executive director of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA).

“It doesn't matter who you are,” Duggan was quoted as saying Monday by the Detroit Free Press. “If you do not license your handgun ... I am going to charge you.”

“I’m satisfied that Mike Duggan is sticking to his ‘anti-guns’,” Waldron quipped.

Earlier, Waldron had challenged Duggan to charge the now ex-chief. Had Duggan not charged Oliver—as he would have any other citizen caught in the same set of circumstances—it would have been a blatant exercise in elitist hypocrisy, Waldron suggested.

“Jerry Oliver deserves a day in court, same as any other citizen who has been accused of a crime,” Waldron stated. “Likewise, the law-abiding gun owners in Wayne County also deserve for Oliver to have a day in court, as it demonstrates that nobody, even the chief law enforcement officer of the state’s largest city, is above the law.

“Every law-abiding gun owner in Michigan is aware of the registration requirement,” Waldron continued, “so it is incredulous for Jerry Oliver to say that he wasn’t. While there is no evidence that any registration law ever prevented a violent crime, it is still the law in Michigan, unless and until the Legislature wisely repeals it. Until that happens, the law applies to everyone, even police chiefs.

“Jerry Oliver learned the hard way why police should never be exempt from any law they are required to enforce, and that especially should apply to gun laws,” Waldron observed. “Too often over the years, such laws were deliberately written with exemptions for police, in order to garner their political support. For too long, the public looked upon police as ‘gun experts’ and therefore were often mistakenly influenced by a police endorsement or opposition to a particular gun law proposal.

“Chief Oliver’s incident, and it is really nothing more than that,” Waldron concluded, “shows that police, and especially police administrators, are not always gun experts. Carrying an unlicensed handgun is bad enough, but packing a loaded gun in your luggage, not declaring it at an airport check-in, and not even being able to identify its correct caliber are stunning lapses. Real experts don’t do this, and all other average citizens face the same consequences that Jerry Oliver now faces.”

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[pilot'sfiance]

It's obvious that the guy forgot that he had it with him, most guys I know ALWAYS

 

[pilot'sfiance]

Most guys I know ALWAYS carry a knife on them, in fact I almost went through TSA yesterday with one. It puzzles me as to why he was arrested for it. There must be more to the story.